3rd person continuation

Gameplay
#51

Exactly!
Please refrain from “popular” stretch goals which weren’t part of your vision.

@BlackRL
Want to play a 3rd-p RPG? No problem, there are plenty out there. But good 1st-p RPGs are very scarce, so just leave this game alone. Go and play your run-of-the-mill games. We don’t need your “opinion” which is basically just a negative attitude, you don’t need to be impressed and we don’t need you to like it. We need people who support the game!
Also, they certainly don’t just “need to move the camera to the back of the player”. It’s obvious you didn’t read the thread or watched the videos. It’s 1st-p for a reason, look it up.
You clearly have no clue how a game is being developed!

Are you sure you aren’t blackdreamhunk by any chance?

[quote=“Kickstarter”]
Do you plan to implement 3rd person view?

We are sorry, but we do not plan to allow you to control your character in 3rd person view (TPV). You will be able to see your character e.g. in cutscenes, dialogues or in the inventory screen, you can also see your body and hands all the time. We believe that FPV allows for better immersion in the world; we also think that we can make the FPV combat work. Moreover the many of the systems, including combat, are designed with FPV in mind and wouldn’t work in TPV without a major redesign.[/quote]

You couldn’t be arsed to read the FAQ, could you, but hey, why don’t you just demand some random stuff instead. And, of course, just because you’re willing to spend 20 € they should bow before you.

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#52

Lol I just don’t understand the vehement hatred all you No 3rd Person Whatsoever people have. I get you want it in first person, that’s fine, but…shesh - these people are just politely (usually) asking Warhorse to reconsider not implementing a 3rd person. Personally, I’m fine if there’s no 3rd person, I just don’t understand the utter hatred being expressed about 3rd person. Oh well I guess that’s the internet.

#53

I don’t mind people wishing for it.

I do mind people who don’t seem to understand it’s not as simple as just moving the camera back from a game that’s built around the first person setup.

I do mind people who forget that adding a completely different way of playing the game would likely delay its release date.

I do mind people who don’t take the time to read past threads to see why Warhorse is not considering a third person view.

I do mind people not respecting that this is the way Warhorse is choosing to make their game.

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#54

The 3rd person is already implemented in game , we have seen even some Devs play with it to demnstrate featurers.
To negate it its like putting the head in the sand and pretend to not have seen it .
@Cerberus
A lot of People want 3rd person for different reasons , most for nausea others for vanity , This wouln’t stop thers to play in first person if they want as most do in Skyrim .
To forbid with such an hate other people to be able to play the game and even exhort them to leave the forums, the game and stop asking for that feature is pretty unpolite and rude and you might be a King supporter and me just a peasant , but that doesn’t meanthe game is yours anyouhave the what to do .

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#55

No… we saw devs demonstrating combat with 3ps camera. fom fixed side angle. (6:01)

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#56

No, the devs designed the game to be in 1st-person. There’s a quote in my last post, please read it.
keywords: “major redesign” -> equals to major effort equals to major waste of time and money!

That’s no problem, they have plenty of games to choose from (Gloria Victis).
But people who want to experience a fleshed out 1st-person RPG game have to search very thoroughly and won’t come up with much.

Same goes for the fantasy and dragon stuff.
There are so many games already which have 3rd-person, fantasy and dragons combined in one game. So people have no reason to complain.

There is no hate. Don’t overexaggerate because you misread something or imagined words spoken more harshly than I would have said them.

Here’s a little info:
Every other day a bunch of new uninformed people arrive. They don’t read FAQs, they don’t watch videos but they demand things. I give this lazy people information, so they will know what this game is about.

I’ve informed myself beforehand then I decided to pledge. I didn’t pay for a 3rd-person game, that wasn’t part of the deal. If it were just another 3rd-person game I wouldn’t have pledged!

Reasons for pledging:

  • immersive 1st-person perspective
  • historically accurate portrayal of medieval life
  • naturally looking and feeling environment in an open world
  • never seen before 1st-person combat system

Another thing, according to your statement, you are allowed to express your opinion (“give me ze 3rd person now!”) while I’m not allowed to do so? Yeah, sure!

Yeah, well, that’s just, like, your opinion, man. I never stated that it is “my” game. I’m speaking on behalf of the people who share the same thinking as I do (not all of them are here in this forum). These people were the main force behind the success of the Kickstarter campaign. These people gave their money because of what Warhorse offered them.

The other thing is, you have nothing to lose if they let it as it is. I on the other hand have something to lose, if they change things too drasticallly from what they were promising. I would have less money and less game. And because I didn’t pay for a very different game, of course, I don’t want that to happen.

Conclusion:
Just stop trying to destroy the game for other people who helped financing the game because of what they’ve seen throughout the campaign. That’s basically what you do if you force Warhorse to redo a whole core mechanic of the game just to have 3rd-person implemented properly. Wait for the mod tools then you can enjoy your messed up controls in 3rd-person. Everybody is happy.

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#57

Destroy the game ? Are you serious or drunk?
The feature IS already implemented just needs to be activated .
Then you like 1st person ? Play it in first person option , its not that hard to understand that you could be able to switch form a view to another just like skyrim .
And btw you might be surprised to realize that the ones supporting more the game are actually the 3 dollars donations raer than the 100 dollar ones , donsome matha and see .

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#58

You should probably redo your math. If you want to judge this based on money from each tier, which is silly because people should be free to express an opinion regardless of how much they donated, let’s run the numbers.

Peasant: 355 people at £3 = £1,065 minimum, probably up to no more than £5,000 with the differences added up
Soldier (D): 8,653 people at £15 = £129,795
Knight (D): 6,332 people at £20 = £126,640
Soldier §: 765 people at £20 = £15,300
Baron (D): 8,048 people at £25 = £201,200
Knight (SE): 1,817 people at £25 = £45,425
Baron (SE): 4,945 people at £30 = £148,350
Viscount: 994 people at £40 = £39,760
Earl: 2,100 people at £65 = £136,500
Duke: 680 people at £125 = £85,000
King (limited): 242 people at £300 = £72,600
Wenzel (limited): 50 people at £600 = £30,000
Emperor (limited): 50 people at £600 = £30,000
Pope (limited): 10 people at £1,200 = £12,000
Illuminatus (limited): 2 people at £3,000 = £6,000
Saint (limited): 3 people at £5,000 = £15,000

The £3 backers make up the smallest monetary percentage of the project by far, just under 0.1% of the money raised based on the minimum, maybe 0.5% overall. I’m loathe to say anyone’s opinions don’t matter, but you guys didn’t even pledge enough to get the game in the first place. I think the people who did put enough faith in Warhorse to spend on the promise of a game have more reason to be listened to at this point.

Note I am still not saying your opinion doesn’t matter, but it doesn’t carry much weight compared to the rest of the backers. Your ability to express your opinion doesn’t mean it’ll be free of scrutiny or criticism.

And, like it was said, a fixed 3rd-person view for programming purposes is not at all the same as a 3rd-person view designed for gameplay itself.

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#59

Are you serious or blind? The feature IS NOT yet implemented. At least proper 3ps view wasn’t shown yet (if I’m wrong then show me where they have it). You could see only 3ps camera with fixed angle for demonstration purposes. And once more. It’s DESIGNED as 1PS. If you can’t imagine any problems caused by 3ps it doesn’t mean that they aren’t there.

Your mention of pledge amounts is completely irrelevant (even if it was true).

#60

The developers have said they will not implement it. That is their decision and those that pledged respects that. If not then tough. I can’t see why you can’t just wait for the game tools to be released for a 3rd person mod.

Plus, I myself have chronic motion sickness and have never felt nausea in a video game due to a 1st person perspective (unless I’m strapped to a roller coaster lol).

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#61

Would be nice if they one day found the time in their lives to add a 3rd person view, I loved going between 1st and 3rd person views back then and would love to do so in any game from now till the end of time.

I understand right now that they are busy with 1st person camera/controls and all that but afterwards a 3rd person view implementation would be greatly appreciated.

Just a mental note, I have read this entire topic and no I’m not up for a debate that goes to nowhere, I’m just having a mere say on what I would one day like to happen, no need to tell me “it won’t” or “it’l ruin the game”, I’ve seen enough of that crock.

#62

You don’t understand they chosen to not allow 3PS purposely. :frowning: And its running in circles again.

In 3PS you can peek around corners or above walls without fear of being detected. Thats just cheat breaking stealth mechanics. In combat you can see whats behind you. Thats another cheat. 3PS isn’t reallistic at all.

1PS/3PS matters to game desing.

#63

Ok, here’s another idea I’ve got.
I tried to put it into some kind of Q&A form.

Q:

Why did Warhorse create the game in 1st person specifically?

A:

Because they wanted to!

Further explanation:

It’s very likely that they designed the game deliberately for 1st-person only because they want you to experience the game in this way.

For example, in films, the director has a scene already in his mind before shooting it, maybe even the solutions how to achieve this vision. He has ideas how the setting has to look, which perspectives and angles have to be used, how the actors have to move and how they have to say something etc. This way he can emphasize certain aspects he deems important while he is also able to evoke a particular range of emotions in the viewer.

So, the unavailability of 3rd-person basically boils down to the fact (apart from the major redesign effort we already know of) that they don’t want the player to use 3rd-person because it can’t deliver the experience they’re striving for or have envisioned when they were starting to develop the game. Consequently they’ve chosen to take this approach out of artistic reasons.

Therefore it’s not just about “Can they do it?” (feasibility) but also about “Do they want to do it?” (intention). I think, that should also be considered in this whole thought process.

We believe that FPV allows for better immersion in the world

Just a little thought on the whole “Why no 3rd-person?” thing.

I mentioned this also in a similar thread.

What do you think of first person?

Kickstarter results

(a little bit more neatly arranged)

Backers: 35,384

pledged: £1,106,371
goal: £300,000

tier      quantity   price     total
                      in £      in £
__________________________________________________


Peasant        355       3     1,065 min/4,970 max
Soldier¹     8,653      15   129,795
Knight¹      6,332      20   126,640
Soldier²       765      20    15,300
Baron¹       8,048      25   201,200
Knight³      1,817      25    45,425
Baron³       4,945      30   148,350
Viscount¹³     994      40    39,760
Earl°        2,100      65   136,500
Duke°          680     125    85,000
King*          242     300    72,600
Wenzel*         50     600    30,000
Emperor*        50     600    30,000
Pope*           10   1,200    12,000
Illuminatus*     2   3,000     6,000
Saint*           3   5,000    15,000


¹ digital
² physical
³ special edition
° collector's edition
* limited collector's edition
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#64

Except some people are fine with 3rd person views, stealth with skyrim in 3rd person is broken to people like me, the game is after all a video game not real life, there is some immersion in them but it’s nothing compared to what you experience in reality.

I’m not running in circles, you and others I’ve seen purposely can’t let it go and feel the urge to go “no you’re wrong I ened to feel right in what I say!”, why not, I dunno ignore my post if you feel it hurts your psyche.

At the end of the day I can see this game not being super realistic, because if it were it would have to include everything from reality and I mean everything and that’s just not possible for certain aspects of the real world and you have to accept that at the end of the day it will just be a video game, not another extension of your otherwise average life.

#65

I’m not sure what the debate between FPV and TPV has to do with the how ultimately realistic Warhorse is able to make the game, nor what it has to do with people trying to pretend it’s a way to escape a boring life, but nice strawman argument there.

I think we know Warhorse is striving for as much realism as possible while understanding there are certain things that work and don’t work in a video game. The FPV choice is theirs, they’ve given enough reason why they prefer it, and people who still demand they reconsider are effectively spitting into the wind by now.

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#66

Yep! Someone needs to go say this to the American media now! :smiley:

#67

You mean Skyrim where you are invisible while crouching? :smiley: Skyrim has beter meele combat in FPS than its ancestors but it’s still meh. KC wants to be oposite.

It won’t be superrealistic. It will be realistic. Devs have some vision (presented in videoupdates, KS page and their website) and some people here are demanding them to change it. Vast majority of backers paid devs for making game Warhorse wants to create. Not to change it first.

It hurts my eyes…

#68

If it hurts your eyes then kindly look the other way, it only cements my point when people just cannot let go.

#69

Just read a confirmation about no 3rd person in the game on the kickstarter page, I strongly disagree, I think they should totally re-consider this and, if needed, note how much would be required to get such a thing in (on the kickstarter page they had a chart, where if they reached X amount we would Y feature)

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#70

you can mod it in afterwards. at the end of the day, you can’t make someone compromise their vision jsut because you cannot adapt to a different style of perspective.

when a game is third person, i play third person, when it is first person, i play first person.

i don’t get why this entitled attitude comes from. maybe from the fact that people don’t want to try new things? i feel sorry for them.

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