Religion in Game

What you say is very interesting. It show, we should never trust common believes but always check and do our own research.

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EDIT: The intent of this post was to demonstrate that while burning of the witches probably did occur in Bohemia, it was quite uncommon in the time period portrayed in the game.

The most infamous witchhunts on Bohemian (more precisely Silesian) territory occurred not earlier than in 17th century. Despite popular beliefs church had little to do with them directly.
The Inquisitor was a lay lawyer, who acted on authority of local countess and was probably mostly motivated by greed, as he could confiscate property of those “proved” of whichcraft. He also had an ally in bishops secretary and the bishop himself probably tolerated (if not approved) the trials, but the whole case was so much complicated and many other people, both from the church and outside of it, were involved. For example a local dean opposed the inquisitor, until he was finally handed over to the secular authorities by the bishop and burned at the stake as well.

You may find basic information (and some references to literature, which is only in Czech, I am afraid) here:


Or if you want to know more, watch the film adaptation of the book, which was quite historically accurate. The film is near perfect classic and should be available with English subtitles.

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Committed by some men?! Way to sugar coat the Christianity history, lets say it was just a few man, do not matter if does men’s were under orders from the Popes, forget how the church used the inquisition to force people to their dogmatic views of the world, and those that refused at all cost were tried as “heretics” including killing visionaries like Galileu Galilei just because “they dared to question god’s word”, their ruthless persecution lead to the formation of the armed group Illuminati, (evil brings evil) not to talk about their own crusader army, bringing Christ love and god’s name to the “heretics” by force. Is true that not all Christians were bad some were certainly good persons and others just because of lack of better knowledge did what the church said was right.

Erm, lets not try to boil the crusades down to, “bringing Christs love and God’s name to the heretics by force.” Europe was near collapse due to the assault of the moor armies. Spain had been occupied for many years and the people there suffered atrocities that made anything the crusaders did look tame by comparison. France was on the verge of collapse and the remaining European countries that held out against this assault turned to the church for help. It was only then that the church actually started pushing back. It wasn’t to “bring Christ to the heretics,” it was to defend their lives, their lands, and their freedoms and to take back the areas lost and restore those same freedoms to the people living there. I’m no expert in the history of the crusades but I know enough not to buy into the modern political BS that Christianity needs to apologize for them.

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Excuse me. Would you mind looking back at the date on those wikipedia excerpts? Do you know what time period the mainstream designates as the middle ages? Do you know what time at which this game takes place? Do you know how much change happens in 200 years? I’m sorry but your post is irrelevant.

He was a christian by the way(Copernicus and Newton were also). Oh and no christian that soundly understands christian theology should say that anybody is “good”. The crusades were originally launched because Muslims were slaughtering innocent christian pilgrims. Atrocities were committed but that wasn’t the original goal. Oh and although some teachings were/are not biblical, the core teachings are. Every thing (or even most of the things) the church did was not corruption.

Excuse me. Would you mind reading my post? I replied to DuxNormanorums post, where he argues with some misconceptions about inquisitions in middle ages. He wrote that he is not familiar with situation in Bohemia. So I posted link to this information, from which you can deduce, among other things, that inquisition and withchunts did not occur very frequently in Bohemia until late 17th century and that there was little involvement of the church in the processes (except that SOME catholic clergymen did intentionally support witch hysteria in mostly protestant regions, either of fanaticism or pure cynicism and other clergymen opposed them). That is exactly why forcing some cliches about medieval church burning witches into this game would be totally inadequate. Yes, much changed in 200 years, but that was exactly my point. So how is my post irrelevant and what do you then think this discussion is about?

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Please stick to the topic, which is “Religion in Kingdom Come”

Yeah i also hope thet they nail the right feel for the religion. I am not religious but i like my jistorical authenticity. In these times EVERYBODY believed in some kind of religion. Sure there were different oppinions about it(Jan Hus). Atheism was almost an imossibility. Therfore I dont want the standard view on religion like per say the witcher were all priests are sadists, evil and biggots.

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If the christian religion of that time is to be depicted in game, no sugar coating please, or any tentative to make it look nice with a version of “the good, the bad, and the ugly”.
And what about muslims in game, the loading screens shows a templar with a big sword trying to hack a muslim with a shield and scimitar. is it just for the “art”?

I think it is just a Bohemian man at arms fighting a Cuman warrior.

And cumans were christians at that time. Kingdom Come can’t be tagged as being islamophobic this time :wink:

so cumans with scimitars??

Scimitars are just weapons. It has nothing to do with religion it’s a part of the art of smithing and fighting style.
Also the sword existed and was used before christianity existed.

More a sabre type weapon IMO. Typical of Cuman/Kipchak/Golden Horde associated tribes.

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Yes, it is not a arabic scimitar, it is a cuman sabre. They were using sabres quite often. :slight_smile:
And not only them even in the holy roman empire the “Großes Messer” a type of sabre was quite common.
While the “Langes Messer” was a kind of similar one edged weapon but without the curve.

I’m no specialist but it appears Cumans were a Turkish - Caucasus tribe according to wiki. That would explain the Middle East look of their gear despite being Christians.

Exaclty, they were expelled from their own land by the mongols in the early 13th century. Some of them found they new home in hungary, where the hungarian king welcomed them, as they fought loyal for him in internal disputes against his vassals and external against the mongols. The king gave this tribe special rights, the cumas coverted to christians and they stayed as his guards and their descendants where still in this position in 1403 as Sigismund attacked bohemia.

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As an atheist and occasional anti-theist, I have absolutely no problem with including religion in the game. It was an essential aspect of (most people’s) lives at this time and I want this game to be the most authentic Medieval RPG on the market. I’m all for it and will act appropriately in-game, although I hope we will not have to stand through two hours of Mass every Sunday. But if I have to, I will :slight_smile:

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