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[SirWarriant]

the security serves do have a tough job in these situations though which is what i think you’re over looking here as the decision to raid the homes wouldnt have come from the president it would of come from the commander of the operation .

No the orders would have came from way up top the mayor who then answers to the governor who then answers to the president. Martial law was declared i’m pretty sure so that decision definitely came from the mayor or governor.

but he has to balance your rights and your safety . if you have two terrorists running riot through the US potentially harming more people do you just go

“any nation that gives up a little liberty for a little more security deserves neither and will lose both”-Benjamin Franklin. You may be ok with them violating your rights but sure as hell am not.

yes yes of course but the government has no power over the courts , the supreme court however has power over the government and can overrule a government decision if the courts feel it goes against your constitution so to change any of it they would have to go through the full process

No executive orders are almost impossible to get rid of.

you live in a democratic nation

SirWarriant:
No we’re a republic actually

The U.S by definition is a republic so i don’t know why you’re face palming. Any law the citizens vote on can be overturned by congress.

he doesnt have an executive order to change the constitution now you’re being stupid otherwise he could change it and make him the supreme ruler and get rid of congress

Obama care was ruled unconstitutional but he signed an executive order to pass it anyway. He couldn’t get away with getting rid of congress . How ever executive orders are mean’t for national emergencies and can go against the constitution. But Obama signs them all the time.

he doesnt have an executive order to change the constitution

And you think he cares about the constitution? He’s violated it a shit ton of times.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Martial law

wasnt aware of that in that case yes you’re right it would of came from way up

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:1669, topic:21032”]
“any nation that gives up a little liberty for a little more security deserves neither and will lose both”-Benjamin Franklin. You may be ok with them violating your rights but sure as hell am not.
[/quote] ok then , right so three guys are inside your parents house shooting your family members one by one and the swat are just outside standing there "sorry mate just waiting for a warrant " you would be ok with that ?

The U.S by definition is a republic so i don’t know why you’re face palming. Any law the citizens vote on can be overturned by congress.

the UK is a constitutional monarchy we are still a democracy though

democracy definition. A system of government in which power is vested in the people, who rule either directly or through freely elected representatives. Note: Democratic institutions, such as parliaments, may exist in a monarchy.

thats why i was face palming as you generally thought that a republic is separate from a democracy .

[SirWarriant]

ok then , right so three guys are inside your parents house shooting your family members one by one and the swat are just outside standing there "sorry mate just waiting for a warrant " you would be ok with that ?

So you would be ok with police kicking your doors down pointing guns at you because there might be terrorists in the area? You cannot run a country like that. You can’t just break someone’s door down on the slightest suspicion. That would just be a corrupt dictatorship. Anyway the fucking terrorists would hear the police coming from miles away. They were rolling down the street in apcs and full combat gear.

thats why i was face palming as you generally thought that a republic is separate from a democracy .

Yes but by definition we are a Republic. In a true Democracy the people make the rules and vote on them. In a republic the people elect people to represent them and make laws for them.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Yes but by definition we are a Republic. In a true Democracy the people make the rules and vote on them. In a republic the people elect people to represent them and make laws for them.

no a democracy as stated in the official definition

" A system of government in which power is vested in the people, who rule either directly or through freely elected representatives. " i elect an MP in my area for parliament who then votes on laws and laws are passed through the parliament , making the uk a a democracy

[SirWarriant]

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun
a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.
archaic
a group with a certain equality between its members.

They are generally referred to as separate things. If they were the same thing then there wouldn’t be separate definitions for them.

[TheDivineInfidel]

So you would be ok with police kicking your doors down pointing guns at you because there might be terrorists in the area? You cannot run a country like that. You can’t just break someone’s door down on the slightest suspicion. That would just be a corrupt dictatorship. Anyway the fucking terrorists would hear the police coming from miles away. They were rolling down the street in apcs and full combat gear.

no which is why i said the security services have a hard job getting the balance right

[TheDivineInfidel]

They are generally referred to as separate things.

yes and no , you vote for a president , i vote for a prime minster literally the only differences , they’re the same thing just different styles of it . you’re still a democracy

[SirWarriant]

Democracy vs Republic - Difference and Comparison | Diffen

Heres the differences.

no which is why i said the security services have a hard job getting the balance right

Well i’m not ok with my damn door being busted down. You seem to like this guilty until proven innocent thing. I haven’t done anything wrong so they cannot by law break my door down.

[SirWarriant]

Frequently, politicians, and many ordinary Americans, refer to the United States as a democracy. Others find this aggravating because, unlike in a democracy where citizens vote directly on laws, in the United States, elected representatives do – and, therefore, the U.S. is a republic.

Straight from google my friend.

[TheDivineInfidel]

from your own source

“What is a Republic?
The term “republic” as used today refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state, such as a president, serving for a limited term.”

[TheDivineInfidel]

i dont vote directly on laws either

[SirWarriant]

i dont vote directly on laws either

So you don’t live in a democracy then either.

[TheDivineInfidel]

You seem to like this guilty until proven innocent thing. I haven’t done anything wrong so they cannot by law break my door down.

so you would support the swat standing their letting your family get murdered because they dont have a warrant , yes or no question

[SirWarriant]

so you would support the swat standing their letting your family get murdered because they dont have a warrant , yes or no question

That is not even close to the same thing. We are talking about SWAT bursting into random houses because there might be terrorists inside. If they had good reason to believe the terrorist was in my house and knew i was in danger sure.

letting your family get murdered

Oh and i can defend myself where i live but you couldn’t.

[TheDivineInfidel]

so what do i live in because it certainly isnt a republic and going by the definition you just quoted no one on this planet lives in a democracy .

but i think you will you have muddled yourself up , the senate is elected to represent the people making the democratic process same as in the UK

[SirWarriant]

but i think you will you have muddled yourself up , the senate is elected to represent the people making the democratic process same as in the UK

ok argue with every source that comes up saying that the U.S is a republic what ever.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Oh and i can defend myself where i live but you couldn’t.

but your not home .

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That is not even close to the same thing. We are talking about SWAT bursting into random houses because there might be terrorists inside. If they had good reason to believe the terrorist was in my house and knew i was in danger sure
[/quote] but they would be impeding your right would they not ?
so their has to be a balance. like i said i think they were to heavy handed in the boston bombings

[SirWarriant]

What about you @snejdarek would you support the police randomly breaking your door down and treating you like a criminal because there might be a terrorist in your house?

[TheDivineInfidel]

Oh and i can defend myself where i live but you couldn’t

so can i ?? just because we cant have a gun doesnt mean we cant defend ourself .

[SirWarriant]

but your not home .

Well theres a fire arm in my house so im sure my family could defend themselves. Besides if they tried to break in the police would be called and then the Swat could enter my house.

but they would be impeding your right would they not ? so their has to be a balance. like i said i think they were to heavy handed in the boston bombings

Im pretty sure if they saw someone being held hostage in a house that gives them justification to go in. We are talking about the SWAT randomly entering peoples homes with no warrant and no evidence.

so can i ?? just because we cant have a gun doesnt mean we cant defend ourself .

Oh right your fists. Uh oh theres two of them and one has a knife what are you going to do now watch as they enter your home waiting for the end?

see now you have worded in such a way that anyone would agree .thats its not right which isnt realistic of every situation , so it is something that has to be evaluated situation by situation hence why security services have a tough job , personally i think they got it wrong in boston

Im not wording it wrong you said you would be ok with the police randomly kicking your door in because there could be a terrorist in the area.