Welcome then. Happy to invite you into the PC Gaming community. It’s ambitious, it’s fun, and it’s quite insane.
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YES! Can I like this post more than once?!
I relate and am pretty much the same with everything you said… except the part about having kids and being female. 
But I too just recently decided to dive into PC gaming thanks to KCD. But there are consoles in my heart.
I also have similar feelings about full priced games and generics. I don’t necessarily need the top of the line gear to have fun.
For example: I just recently (within the last 3 months) upgraded my TV to an HD flatscreen. Yes, that means for the last however many years I’ve been playing ALL my console games on a Standard Definition 24" old fatback TV. So yeah just recently I scraped up enough to upgrade to a 24" 720p HD flatscreen…and it was like God descended from the sky and slapped clarity on my television screen. But now that I’m looking into PC gaming I’m considering using my TV as monitor because I know its possible and it means I won’t have to buy a new monitor…but every time I mention 720p I’m met with groans of disgust and people talking about being confused as to how I could even play anything on such a small 720p screen because its REALLY blurry and must be impossible to see anything, and that I MUST upgrade to 1080p to even consider PC gaming.
So naturally…I’m very confused… or maybe the entire world is just REALLY REALLY blind.
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The controller thing doesn’t bother me because he explained it in the stream, also you can see Viktor playing with M+K in the combat video which looked fine to me.
Also what I’ve seen Warhorse is doing in general so far doesn’t bother me either, quite the opposite, I’m enthusiastic, otherwise I wouldn’t have pledged. But there are always the disappointments made by other developers in the past in the back of my head. Sorry, can’t just switch it off.
The part below the line wasn’t for you. 
I was speaking more in general. Because that’s what the corporations want us to be. Mindless fools, only good enough to give them our money. I remember the shitstorm because MS wanted to implement “always online” and used games shouldn’t be allowed to be sold anymore etc. Finally, MS didn’t have any success with their strategy. But I’m sure, sooner or later, they will accomplish what they’ve planned. Cloud-dependent services is just the first step.
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Sorry @Cerberus I didn’t even see the line, lol! That’s what happens when we get older. The vision really is the first thing to go (although in some cases it’s the mind!) I agree about the whole MS thing though (or any company for that matter.) I wasn’t going to buy the X1 when they were saying you HAD to leave it online and with the Kinect connected among other things you mentioned. I don’t enjoy being told I HAVE to do something even if it’s something I might want to do. The whole backwards compatibility (meaning lack thereof ) still irks me 
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Same… I may never get passed backwards compatibility.
@TheLoreSeeker - Yeah, I get where you’re coming from re: controller being better for platformers, but mouse and keyboard are in another league for first person games IMO. I posted about it in detail here: Thoughts about Controllers/Mouse & Keyboard
Below are my feelings regarding the best control input/genre (from my post):
- FPS (and third person with FPS look and control system) - Mouse & Keyboard.
- Casual third person driving games - Controller.
- Serious first person driving games - Wheel + Pedals.
- Platform games - Controller.
- Flighting games (Street Fighter etc.) - Controller.
- Strategy and RTS - Mouse & Keyboard.
- Casual Flight Sim - Controller.
- Realistic Flight Sim - Joystick/Yoke, Pedals, TrackIR (+ Mouse & Keyboard for switches and UI).
- Sports games (FIFA etc.) - Controller (though I’ve never played one!).
As to your PC monitor/TV issue, I’d agree with others that 720p is a low res (I’m a bit of a big screen resolution freak; 1080p seems low res to me), but I’d say go for it and upgrade later. It’s not going to feel low res to you as you aren’t coming from anything better. It won’t feel any worse than playing your console, but you’ll have a ton of really interesting games to get into. When you do upgrade though, go for as big and high res a monitor as you can afford - It’s the best upgrade you can possibly make IMO and will outlast all your other components by many years.
I really urge you to try some FPS games with M+K, it’ll prob take a little while to get used to, but once you do I doubt you’ll look back. Case in point; a mate of mine (console gamer, excepting Total War series which we play together on my PC) played half way through Max Payne 3 on my system. He liked it a lot so picked it up for the 360, found at auto aim felt like cheating, so turned it off, then found that he couldn’t reproduce the accuracy of mouse and keyboard he’d got used to and whilst he enjoyed the rest of the game from a story standpoint found it a bit frustrating/unsatisfying. He’s since bought a laptop for gaming and picked up Max Payne 3 in a recent Steam sale for next to nothing and played it through again (to ‘finish it off properly’. Once you’ve ‘clicked’ with mouse and keyboard it’s difficult to back IMO. I can play Halo with friends for a laugh, but it’s a casual experience for me and not really what I’m after.
@BlueEyedGator - Welcome to PC gaming! Enjoy the Steam sales too ;).
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Yeah I pretty much agree with you on that split up. Some games are just better designed for one or the other.
Honestly I’m both a PC and console gamer who’s somewhat slightly comfortable with K+M (for some games), but more likely prefer using my gamepad for games that do offer full controller support.
Also I’m not really fussed how they go about making the game, but I am fussed when it comes to users or backers desire to twist the devs intentions to one side for their own preferences to be valued higher than others which comes off as both childish and selfish to me.
I’m also not that fussed about my current monitor resolution and due to high prices of quite a few monitors I’ve more value with my money in more important things other than splurging on something I feel I personally don’t need.
I’d also love if this thread could be/continue to be more civil because from what I’ve read up until now a good chunk of what’s been said has come off as quite passive aggressive whether some like to think it or not.
i’d say let the devs do what they want, back them for their dream, not the intention to fuck over a different market for your own market’s sake.
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Ever tried just a keyboard for fighting games? You can do the inputs a lot faster and accurately than a controller strange as it sounds. Generally the deciding factor to ditch a keyboard for me is the need for analog movement. For example, It irritates me to no end when following an NPC and my walking speed is slower than them but my running speed is faster.
Thanks, I didn’t think I was alone on that point. I know someone who plays controller + mouse to get analog movement and precision camera controls at the same time. It is a little strange to play like that though, hard to get comfortable using both at once.
I am a PC gamer who prefers comfy couch setup, so I play most of my PC games via controller on TV these days. Sony consoles I use only for exclusives like Uncharted series, Last of US, Heavy Rain, MGS4… and even then I wish they were on PC instead, so I would not have to suffer low image quality and framerate.
The funny thing is, there are so many people decrying “bad PC ports from consoles”, but the fact is that even the worst of the worst, like Dark Souls, are still better than original console versions…and yet nobody complains about those. I always found that a bit ridiculous.
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Unfortunately, that’s a biiiiig misconception which drives people to console playing because they think they have to sit at a desk or have to play with keyboard + mouse (which is btw better for 1st-person games ). This couldn’t be further from the truth! It’s the opposite, with a PC you have the freedom to use it how you want and where you want. Connect your PC to the TV and plug in some X360 or PS3 or whatever controller. And on top of it you have the freedom of the PC platform.
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That’s it, I think console players have a fundamentally wrong idea of PC gaming and I guess a lot of it stems from them only coming in contact with PC-setups that are primarily used for work; they sit at a an office PC on an office chair and think “I couldn’t game like this!” Of course you couldn’t! I couldn’t! Get rid of that chair! It might be better for your back to sit straight but it’s not comfortable and you should do some sport from time to time anyway, no matter where or how you sit.
Instead go find the most comfortable armchair you can find and bring the desk to a comfortable hight.
I have a couch and 37" TV right next to my PC. I have wireless mouse, keyboard, xBox-360-controller and a powerfull sound system, but I choose to sit at my PC because it’s more comfortable and it gives me full control, all the time. I can Alt-TAB to the browser to check the web and text-chat with a real keyboard. Voice-chat is picked up by micro that is suspended somewhere over the monitor by a flexible arm, so I don’t have to use a shitty headset and can use really good headphones instead, which beat the crap out of any so called surround-sound-system by the way.
So just a glimpse of how comfortable PC gaming can be.
And consoles more sociable? Ever heard of LAN-partys? If you really want to have something portable, build a PC in a LAN-case, they even come with handles.
There really is no excuse to not play on PC, except maybe exclusive titles and… yeah… the money. But honestly - I’m not rich and all that gear wasn’t acquired on a single day.
Just so you don’t get me wrong: If you like console gaming better for some reason I’m just not able to comprehend and could probably refute, I can respect that and won’t hold it against you. But many points against PC-gaming are just fueled by experiences with gear that is not build or set up for gaming!
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I backed the project because it looked absolutely amazing, and it had such a great idea which appealed to me. The console ports were the main reason for my pledge, I’m not really a PC gamer, so I tend to stick to consoles.
Not sure if you’re referring to my comments on not, but I would agree that Warhorse should do exactly as they please. It’s their game after all, I wouldn’t expect anything less. On the other hand this is a forum, we are backers and it makes sense that we’re going to voice our opinions, no? Some of the info might be of interest to the devs, some might not (I’m not for third person perspective personally, but I totally get why people who want it are posting here and don’t resent them for doing so).
Warhorse have said that no platform is the ‘lead,’ which is totally to be expected and the same we hear from many developers (even when it’s often clear that that’s not the case); it’s the diplomatic thing to do. In fact I believe Warhorse that they are considering them somewhat equally and I certainly don’t think we’re going to get a dodgy console port or anything like it.
What I don’t understand is their design decision to select the controller as the primary input device. Not just ‘there will be great support for both keyboard & mouse and controller’ (which they have said), but to go one further and say that they’re developing ‘FOR that controller.’ i.e. they feel it’s the best fit for their game. To me a controller is vastly inferior to keyboard and mouse for first person games (this isn’t a console bash, read my other thread if you like, controllers are better for other types of game IMO). Given that they’ve been developing for PC only up till now (though obviously with consoles in mind) I find the desire to play with a controller, when you have a keyboard and mouse in front of you, a very odd one.
As to the monitor thing you mentioned; I’m glad you’re happy with your current monitor set up and have other things you’d rather spend your money on. PC gaming’s really important to me and thus a large expensive monitor was a great investment (they’ve actually come down enormously in price over the last 5 years). My advice to @TheLoreSeeker was meant to be helpful, not snobbish.
Anyway, sorry if I misinterpreted what you said, just trying to clarify my points.
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@BlackMage - Nope, can’t say I’ve tried it as I don’t play fighting games. They, along with platormers, just aren’t my thing. I just assumed a controller would be the best fit.
As to your walk speed issue, I hear you, but I’d never trade the ability of a precision aim and (IMO) the natural, quick and precise looking around ability of the mouse for the few moments when you have to follow someone. That must equate to less than 0.01% of play time, or there abouts, no? Not saying you’re wrong of course, we all have our own preferences, but the majority of playing a game isn’t about following someone during a quest, but exploring, combat and whatnot.
What I do have an issue with is games where you don’t have a dedicated ‘walk’ key and have to keep running and stopping all the time. Not only does it look ridiculous, but it also tells me that the devs didn’t design their game to be played slowly, and to my mind, ‘immersively’ (i.e. there’s often no benefit in terms of game mechanics in choosing to walk, but I feel more involved in the world by doing so).
Yes it works kind of like a fight stick, the immediate nature of keyboard inputs and the access to all actions at once translates very well to fighting games.
I do agree the advantage of the mouse generally outweighs it the need to control walking speed. But in a lot of non shooting third person games you don’t need the precision of camera control as much as the precision of movement. The general awkwardness in movement in third person games to try to keep the player character facing look natural when changing directions translates poorly to keyboard inputs. Dark Souls and platformers are good examples. The right tool for the right job, hence why PCs are great since all tools just plug into it. Maybe someone should just stick an analog nub on the keyboard where the thumb rests, best of both worlds.
Yeah, I can see where you’re coming from re: the fighting games. I guess the direct input of the keys leaves no room for ‘slop’ and in such games moves are pulled off by a series of exacting actions.
I’ve often wondered what an analogue keyboard would be like ;). I also wonder how the Steam controller will turn out? It’s not going to be as good as a mouse by all accounts (I just don’t think the thumb is precise enough), but might be a good step up from the current dual stick controllers.
Good point. I still wouldn’t trade my keyboard and mouse for it, but good point none the less 
@Fimbul With encouragement and education, some of us are slowly getting into PC gaming but doesn’t mean we will forego our consoles. I think not only does the cost factor into it (not everyone can just go out and get/build a gaming system right away) but there are other factors depending on your situation. When my kids were younger consoles were the easiest way for me to keep on top of what they were doing and with who. Now, the biggest issue for me was not being able to set up another desktop (I explained various issues including my hubby under another thread “Suggestions for gaming PC”) which is why I settled for a decent gaming laptop. I will learn how to set it up over time to use on my bedroom tv (a nice 52" hd) and the world will be right again, lol!
Maybe I’ve missed it, but considering the PC vs console debate will live on forever and has gotten down right ugly in other forums and threads, this one has been fairly mild and mostly informative, at least for me 
Steam controller can be interesting, I have a Microsoft arc mouse for traveling which uses a haptic feedback plate instead of a scroll wheel, it works but is not as good as an actual scroll wheel. You do have a sense of momentum and force though which is neat considering the tech. The experience will probably be better than a touchpad, worst than a mouse, but you have two of these inputs. Not sure if it would be better than an analog stick.