Will there be ...children?

I think Killable Children was one of the first mods to Skyrim. I will probably get such a mod for this, it should not be put in the game by the developers for many reasons. Trust me, I’m no psychopath that wants to murder little kids, but if this is a generic world and let’s say bandits raid a village, it would be kind of immersion breaking to find 5 kids standing around the ashes like “Sup”

Lets just make 2 versions one polished without controversy and second which will change users name on steam - ¨ultra masochist childkilling boobs loving pig" which will have all that mumbojumbo people doscussing on forums. I bet most people will take second one… i would be one of them :smile:

I honestly wish their was kill-able children, just for realism. The rating system should not be present on PC games, censor it on consoles all you want, but the internet should be free.

It’s funny how the rating system does not care about Minecraft, even though you can KILL EVERYTHING. Including villager children. Why is THAT not censored? because the graphics are unrealistic and the Testificate (villager) kids are ugly? It doesn’t make sense. I’ve always been against the ESRB and other rating systems that are in desperate need of revision.

I understand why the devs won’t add it, because the rating system would flag it. I get it.

i guess i’ll just have to get mods for that.

Hope the ESRB and everyone else get’s there act together.

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ESRB isn’t censorship… ESRB is actually very usefull thing for parents and even for gamers (not everyone likes blood, gore, strong language, drugs using etc). ESRB may have some side effects, but games are being forbidden only because of goverments and censored by developers and publishers.

Homosexuality in Medieval Central Europe, ruled by Catholics?
If there were gays back then and somebody found out about their “activities”, they would have been tortured and/or killed on the spot or maybe after a Church trial. As you may know homosexuality/sodomy is a great sin according to the Holy Bible.
Nudity should be present, but not on the streets in your face as those silly regular RPGs show it. If the player can arrange sex with a girl, then let the game show some nudity. Else, better not. In Medieval times people dresses with layers of clothing so not a chance someone go around naked, except he is crazy and ready to face consequences.
Another important topic - if Warhorse make the wrong decision of putting children into the game, they should make them available for kill and loot just like any regular NPC. Sorry, but no other way. Tired of spoiled brats, a human is a human no matter if is he is big or small, black or white, young or old. If player is given the ability to kill and loot grown-up humans, he should be able to kill and loot kids as well. But IMHO better go without children - they have no real, practical place in a game like this.

ALSO, what is this whole bragging and wanting children characters from some of you?! Why exactly you want a children 3D model to exist in the programming code if it would only spoil this nice game? What is the exact need of a children NPC, which will only spoil the gameplay because of all that bureaucratic crap which does not allow you to play you game as you see fit? This is supposed to be a virtual game. What are we talking about here for real? It is “so bad” to slash some smaller (childish) 3D model instead of a bigger one? Using a virtual polygonal weapon and this resulting in a pre-scripted death animation? Is this far too immoral for US of A? And all the other sane people on planet Earth should fall down to their level of judgement and accept their mistaken propaganda? But when they impose “democracy” in REAL LIFE and their bombs kill innocent civilians (children included), then what? Just shut out eyes and pretend this never happened. I will tell you what - if this has to happen somewhere, it better happen in a computer game rather than in real life!
We Europeans are not obliged to follow stupid American rules, so to hell with them. If Warhorse is scared of PEGY or ESRB banning Deliverance, then why they just do not leave children characters out of their beautiful game and begone with this silly matter once and for all?! All you people, who nonetheless require childish models to make your game world “richer”, maybe you are in the wrong place here. Deliverance as many see it maybe isn’t suitable for your taste. Just switch to Bethesda typical RPGs list and pick your choice. Then play what you desire there - it suits you better!

Sorry if someone got insulted - no offense meant, but I’m angry because I see where this is all going… another wonderful European project being blackmailed because of false pretended reasons.

Simple answer: Immersion. But seriously, why all the hate. Quit trolling.

I want children in the game because I want to be immersed in the game. People made babies in medieval times, lots of them. And I agree, those children should be kill-able, but because I want more people across more countries to play this game, I am all for those children not being kill-able in the final release of the game; as that would have it banned likely in many countries. I will leave it to mods to make the children kill-able etc., should I find the lack there of to be immersion breaking.

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A lot of games don’t have any children in them, like GTA and Saints Row, and those are both great franchises, in my opinion. In one game I played some of the NPCs say something like ‘has anyone seen my children?’ which seems like a humourous comment on the absence of children in the game. I wouldn’t mind if there were children and they couldn’t be killed and I wouldn’t mind if there are no children at all. The only game where I’ve actually wanted there to be children is the Sims series.

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Are you serious? So much trying to solve this “problem”? This is absolutely ridiculous!

I think this would be problem, if you are forced to kill children by quest (but even this should be possible for adult games - hard decisions, more sides of actions and consequences).
If this could cause game to be banned, what about fly simulators where you can crash into houses or even schools. Ban Second Life where you can do whatever your twisted soul desires. And real-life should be banned too - there is also possibility to kill children! :slight_smile:

This is not about what is possible (in ultimate game should be everything possible) it’s about what person chooses to do (if game doesn’t force you). If this trifle causes so much troubles, then we are living in even darker ages for morality then hero of this game. :slight_smile:

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It would be nice to have children in the game because they bring live and immersion.
Yes, it was reality, that children were killed in the past (it’s still reality nowadays) and it’s true, that a single live was nearly worthless in that days unless it was a high-Born. For me it would be the same, if children would be killable in the game. I don’t see a difference between killing a innocent man or woman or child. If there is a neccessarity to kill, you have to do it. In a game you normally kill, if your playing character is forced to. If you just kill for fun, because it’s only a game and not real, then there isn’t also any difference in killing man, woman, children.
But nowadays we have a difference. In time of political correctness many People see a difference. And sometime they are the one, who are mighty enough to forbid selling of a game. therefore, to avoid to be banned, the children in the game shouldn’t be killable.
For this game we shouldn’t be to realistic.

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I think this is an easy to solve :slight_smile: Either they want to be realistic and allow children to be killed, which honnestly was part of those times, so it is acurate. Second possible way, if they want to be so called morale, they can simply trick the player by blocking the action of attack when targeting a child, the hero can even say something like: I’m not a child murderer… or something like that. It is understandable and can;t harm the game, even if you play it the way of good or bad, averyone shoudl have some moral standards…

This game is very beatifull

I have no problem at all with not being able to kill children. Realism can only go so far guys … I mean, is it REALLY needed? No.

There is a reason you can’t kill children in most games. You wouldn’t be able to sell it in most countries. I am fine with that.

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I don’t think trampling people is as easy as you may think. You can see a horseback rider coming… and running isn’t a hard thing to do in that instance.

Thats kind of something I’m hoping they include; realistic reactions from the NPCs (like fleeing into their homes when danger arises, or out into fields away from town to hide.)

I didn’t like how in Skyrim everyone would either run around town like chickens and cower in the fetal position…or become Hercules and try to fight me with their old lady fists.

This post really reminded me of how I hope they will include children of different ages. It’s weird to think that all the kids are the same age and that there are no younger kids or babies or teenagers.

Tell this to the rating agencies. I mean it. Maybe they will realize that games do not equal toys. There is only one high profile game in the history which contained this - Fallout 1 and 2. And they got censored anyway (thankfully US version was uncensored). And yet it was kinda gimmicky, pointless. It served no purpose. Although there were consequences for such doing which is a must for me. Game containing killing of children is treated worse than hardcore porn.

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@MadSmejki: so if there will be children present in the game, but it isn’t possible to kill them, how will this work? Will they have infinite health, or will they just run away if they see the player with a weapon drawn (for example)? I think this is what concerns most people: that the game will react realistically to their actions, whatever they choose to do. It’s not that most of them actually want to go on a child-killing spree.

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Is there any precedence for a game that contained the possibility which got seriously banned? I can’t think of any game that implemented an option like that in a meaningful way. It’s important how some feature are impelemtend and not that they are implemented. It’s of course often a thin line…

I can definitely understand if you chose to not risk anything here but still, it’s a shame that video games are so immature. But that has many reasons - gamers, devs, publishers, media and political institutions. None of them seems to be mature and dedicated enough on a bigger scale to pursue controversial topics… :expressionless:

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I actually hope that going on killing sprees isn’t possible. I mean… we’re just a blacksmiths son, not some universal badass. I mean… a full force of guards or soldiers should be able to put down any crazy sword swinging nut job.

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@nachtom I completely agree with you. After all, this is just a virtual program, simulating real life’s history in medieval European times. Why is that bragging about non-killable virtual models indeed? As I said in my previous post, this is some kind of bureaucracy ridiculousness. Honestly does anybody think that “destroying” a pre-scripted 3D model in some computer game has anything in common with murder in real life? If there is such person, he must be totally crazy and must go to psychiatry asap. Is there any logical reference at all between “killing” in a video game and real life? Video game characters are just non-existing program code and it should be treated like what they really are! When you “kill” an in-game character you just temporary remove it from the program. That is it, I don’t see the crime here. Why if I remove (understand kill) some random program from my PC which uses children images for cover? Please tell me that I’ve just “killed” the children because I removed the program. Nonsense, is it?
In addition, there is absolute no matter to me on whether you remove (kill) men or women or children models from any program - it is all the same, non-existing virtual program code. Why should anybody forbid anything like this in a video game? Are we living in a mind-controlled states or what?

My humble final suggestions for @Warhorse will be as follow:

  1. If you (for unknown reasons) have to add children into your wonderful game, make them killable no matter what. After all, you raise budget by crowd funding and private investors, who are not reliable to any American agencies, greasy publishers or marketing bureaucracy. If the game is to be banned in some countries, fight in court with logical arguments and decisive reason. All the talk about banning is just scaring the crows - no one has any legal reason to ban any video game worldwide. I don’t think somebody in EU will make problem if there are killable children in your game.
  2. If you (for the same unknown reason) insist of having children in the game, but don’t want to make the killable - please, just program a simple solution. Don’t make main quests involving children. Don’t make children essential for advancing in the game or for the gameplay. Let them play some fill-up, secondary role (which nonetheless suits them better). Then you can put a simple check mark in your game Options, Gameplay tab. Name it - “Remove all children from the game”. So that everybody like me who doesn’t want to have god-mode children in Deliverance can just exclude them from his game whatsoever. I mean, why not?
    Please, if no other way around, give this not-so-hard-to-do option to your loyal fans, if there is nothing better to do, disabling children in-game is a very smart way around the “problem”. Then anybody who doesn’t like children in-game will be able to completely remove them, those who actually like god-mode children in-game will have them. I call it a Win-Win situation where everybody will be happy.

Thank you @warhorse for you attention. I will wait for some update from you on this important matter.

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@Jlyga_u_onacHa Indeed, this is another view that clearly make banning children kill even more ridiculous. I’m programmer focusing on artificial intelligence and artificial life, so I understand there are just algorithms behind NPC’s face (on the other hand real people are just biological machines with their programming in brain too :)).

Well, my problem is that I expect this will be more historical simulator than a game (I know it probably won’t, but still hope for it).

When they blame games for massacres in schools and then limit them - think about this: If dumb child (real one :)) play game where he can attack children and nothing happens instead of paying for that crime and see he can kill them - this child could rather think that his classmates are immortal so he can just shoot them and everything will be ok… :slight_smile:

Since this is so big problem, I suggest to give children almost infinite amount of HP in official version of game, but then give away UNofficial mod that fix it back to normal (and maybe other nonsenses from rating policy) - no one can blame Warhorse for unofficial mod that changes a game.

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