Armor - Types and Wearing

I already wondered where are the Deutsch speaking folks wereā€¦

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As others have said, getting back up in plate armour isnā€™t a problem and I wish people would stop perpetuating this myth. Having a mini-game or at least good animations for equipping armour does sound like a good idea.

Again though, armour really doesnā€™t inhibit movement significantly (otherwise it wouldnā€™t be used). Donā€™t let Hollywood and cheap documentaries fool you.


Yeah, no problems to move in armor !

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Here I have another great video of movement in armour:

I also want to say that if you do LARP for the combat you should move on to re-enactment/ living history, or HEMA. Fighting with steel is way more fun than fooling around with foam stuff. If youā€™re in LARP for the game then just go ahead and have fun.

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The different types of armour people use would basicly make different classes in the game. Does one choose to be light armoured and nimble or heavy armour and slow.

very interesting topic and similar read to mine ( kind off ) here it is if you are interested :stuck_out_tongue: Realistic Armor damaging

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Have you ever worn a suit of armour tailored to you? I thought not.

Not being able to get up from lying on your back is a common modern misconception that people have nowadays. There are historical accounts of a knight doing somersaults, cartwheels and climbing up a ladder from the wrong side. The combined weight of a plate harness is much lighter than the amount carried by a soldier onto the battlefield today. When you also add the fact that It was conformed to their body and spread across it the weight had a much lesser effect then you would have thought.

Iā€™ve never seen leather armour done right in a game or movie. Leather armour, called cuir bouilli or boiled leather was as the name implied. It would be hardened until it would be more comparable in rigidness to a cuirass than the maneuverability offered by a mail hauberk.

A blacksmithā€™s son such as the protagonist of this game would never have the money to pay a skilled armourer to craft a full harness to his exact measurements. It would cost a small fortune and would be solely the domain of the nobility. His best hope would be to salvage armour from the battlefield that fit him well enough.

Armour wouldnā€™t be made by a single person. Different pieces would be made by different people. If you wanted a helm you went to see X. You want some cuisses (thigh armour), go see Y. A master armoursmith would have a team of apprentices that he would delegate most of the work, as the large majority of this would be menial and of a repetitive nature. Once the plates were formed they would then be sent to a different artisan who would apply the various straps and buckles, another would put in the padding, etc.

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Im not sure modern replicas weighs the same as the old ones do. But acording to a study done by University in Leeds, the full plate armour weighed 30-50 kg, and was impacting the ability to move severly.

While you are right that it is heavy and logically influences the energy needed. Historically speaking, ā€˜soldiersā€™ with full plate armour where noblemen on horses, not walking or running to the battlefields and mostly fighting from on the horse. If the horse would die and/or they fall of the armour allows the movement to just stand up on your own.
Also if you speak about an armour of 50 kg than that would be a very big man with very thick plates, in my opinion not very logical and correct.

That is not what the test showed. It showed that the testsubjects use more energy.
Thom Richardson, keeper of armours, from the Royal Armouries in Leeds added: "It is interesting to use scientific method to answer these questions, and it confirms what we have always suspected - heavy armour would very much reduce your ability to run around.
Also, modern Armour used for full contact fighting is a heavier then the originals. (where armour used for only looks or light fighting is often lighter)
A full suit should be around 30kg.

I think this movie is much better at showing how little armor limits the movement.
It is from the early part of the 1920ties. And the armour is original and not amde for the person wearing it.

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That is exactly what I was thinking about. Because if you donā€™t have much money, you will have to make do with what you get. That would imply movement impairment, because the armor simply wouldnā€™t fit.
If the armor was perfectly fit for you, however, you are probably right and it wouldnt impair movement (not very noticable).
However, walking around in armor simply is more exhausting than walking around in normal clothes. And while I have not worn plate armor for a prolonged time yet, I think it would be very exhausting.
And I have seen some people who fell over in plate armor and they asked for help, but of course maybe they could have simply stood up, I dont know.

Cheers, Brawl.

Sorry but this study is, to me, totally wrong. I do practice full armored fighting, as a short guy, Iā€™m a runner and must run from an opponent to another.
So, the fact that you need more energy to move in armor is a fact BUT
Dont forgot that atm, the mens were working/training and had a physical condition as sportsmens nowadays.
So to me, there is some shades in what had been said. Anyway I agree that the character would not be able to have an armor made on measurment.
So it could be interesting to bring a system of plates blocking some movments and, like we do, the character should deal to have a correct mobility

Like a french guys, Iā€™m not enjoy by this video but the guys says a lot of things interessant on the armors and the weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq03z9Hkq2s

I have never worn armour, I have fenced foil and sabre, Iā€™m an archer since I was about 8 years old.
I also played American Football which is probably the closest I got to fighting in armour, while the football kit is not as heavy as a full set of metal armour it is built on similar principles. When starting out getting used to the kit took a while but after wearing it 3 times a week for about 3 hours each session you soon got used to moving in it. Yes it takes more energy to move but your strength also increases to compensate slightly. At the start of our practice sessions you did stretching and warming up followed by a 2 mile (3km) run before getting down to actually training. One of the things we had to practice was laying down on your back with your opponent head to head with you, one had the ball and the other had to tackle and stop him. When we did open days and come and try sessions it was interesting to see people that had not done any training struggling to get up off their backs, some even said it was impossible!
I know it is not quite the same as a set of armour but it is not too far off.
Edit now off to watch those last two videos

Hopefully you donā€™t need to remove your armor when just walking around the world to explore and then equip or fight without it, because if you wear it you canā€™t walk fast. But I guess that is where the ā€œultra realisticā€ come into the game, some like it and some dontā€™t.

Just came across these two videos:

Part One - how to make itā€¦

Part Two - Wearing itā€¦

did you watch the 1920s met video? you can move at the same speed. the only issue might be stamina usage. ie, you get tired more quickly.

In LARP, its that exact problem: if it is more than one day, you have to consider when to wear your armor and when not to.
Because wearing it all the time is really exhausting, but if you donā€™t wear your armor, you certainly wonā€™t have enogh time to get into it when you are attacked. I think that question of wearing or not wearing your armor (or even having multipe suits of armor, a heavy and a light one, for instance) would be interesting to have in the game.
Brawl

you certainly wonā€™t have enogh time to get into it when you are attacked

That depends on the armor. If you sleep in you padding, it it possible to roll out of bed and get a mailshirt on in less than 60 seconds. (if it is laying ready and you now what you are doing.)
But plate armor for the arms usually require help to get on.

I agree that it would be nice if it is relevant to only part of your armor most of the time, and only take on all if you know you are going to fight.

Maybe the solution would simply be taht you need more food if wearing armour?

It depends what type of armour you wear in regards to how long it takes to get ready. When I and my friends gear up for our Viking Group (we do historically accurate viking reenactment combat) it seriously does not take 15 minutes to to put our armour on. You put on your gambeson and then your chain mail over the top which is a bit tricky to get into (sometimes) and then your shoes, gloves and shield and helmet. It only takes about 3-5 minutes depending on how much our Hersir is shouting at us :stuck_out_tongue:

But that is only a gambeson and chain mail which for this game and this period is quite simple and archaic armour. For plate armour Iā€™m not quite sure but judging from how long it takes some of my other mates (who do medieval reenactment) it can take up to 15-20 minutes to strap and tie all the plate armour on. Even leather lamellar armour (which has been in use for a very,very long time even since viking era) takes about 5-7 mins for someone to tie all the straps up. Leather lamellar is also sometimes more effective the chainmail, but I like chainmail. Personal preference.

I hope the have chainmail, plate and lamellar armour in the game.

EDIT: I personally dont find that a gamebson and chainmail are TOO restricting when it comes movement, though I have worn some lamellar armour which I find more restricting (though unlike the gambeson and chain mail the lamellar was a friends and not made solely for me) and I have no idea about how restrictive plate armour is, thought from what my mates have told me its pretty dam restrictive. Walking and basic movements in gamebeson and chainmail donā€™t bother me too much (maybe because I am used to it now??) but once you start running or trying to do heavy lifting/strenuous activity then it restricting and very tiring. You need to be super fit to run for longer than twenty minutes in chain mail and a gambeson. With all my gear (weapons, armour and shield) i can only run around for about 20 minutes before i need to go back to walking. Anything longer and I need a rest period before i can swing my sword again lol