While we're talking about Arms & Armor

@SirWarriant Are you TRYING to give me an aneurysm?

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This “Oh, I won’t sell you this sword because you don’t have the required reputation” is kind of a weird one for me. I have yet to see a salesman saying “I will not sell this Lamborghini for you although you have the necessary amount of money, because you came in here in a jeans.” :slight_smile: Even if that would be the case, I could imagine it in the manufacture of Praha’s best armorsmith, who sells to kings and high nobles, but not really in the vicinity of Henry’s. Not yet (in Act I?), at least. Money talks, after all.
How cheap an item will be, now that could be based on fame and/or speech skills.

You’d best watch yer’ self, kid. Them’s fightn’ words.

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A whole village! Man, the price of armor is like the fish that got away, every time it is mentioned it gets bigger! Used to, the “factoid” was that it was the price of a house.

Do keep in mind that back then, the polishing actually cost more than the forging. Not everyone had amazing mirror polished, blued, etched, and gilded armor. It was not uncommon for a run-of-the-mill man-at-arms to have a custom-forged harness, it just wasn’t quite as glamorous as the Kaiser’s… and it certainly didnt cost a village, don’t be silly.

Ok i wont be silly here, here are some medieval prices from England. Firstly price of armors:
here full armor for one knight:

here is pricing for housing:

when we calculate for one Milanese high quality armor you could have 4 village cottages.

I was not talking about man-at-arms but a knight. And also i stated that you could get low quality armor. Also you could strip body’s on battlefield for armor. But you would have to go to a smith to adjust it, or get lucky finding fitting armor. I wasn’t meaning glamorous kings armor but high quality armor.

You said “Well fitted.” You didn’t say “knightly” or even “pretty.” You could get the same exact armor as a knight for a fraction of the price, by simply not having it be polished. It functions the same, it protects the same, it is still high quality armor. But a good polish back then could cost up to 80% of the overall cost of the armor.

I am quite curious, how come it was so costly?
Was it lot of work, did it require some special consumables or did it take a lot of time? Or something else?

All of the above. You needed a lot of specialist equipment, water powered polishing wheels, specialist polishers, and a whole lot of time.

That is actually how Prague Ferrari shop works. You can afford this style way of salesmanship you are selling something where demand is way higher than the supply.

Total armor is listed as 16 pounds, that’s not “that” much when you consider the minimum revenue to sustain a men-at-arms of that period is listed as being 40 pounds.

The ready made Milanese armor price listed as 1441 while the Cottage is listed as early 14th century so nearly 140 years apart. Key in this is that it probably predates the black death which drove costs up a lot. So a 1441 cottage might be a bit more expensive than the one listed in that list.

Around Agincourt a mounted archer earned six pence a day. 240 pence makes a pound so acquiring 8 pounds would take 320 days of payment. That’s probably two or even three campaigns if you factor in their duration and other costs but it does show that ready made milanese armor wasn’t that expensive. If they were lucky they might be able to loot a place and gain a lot of cash.

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Why would a knight buy unpolished armor? I thought this discussion was about getting top armor in the game and limitations. I only stated that it can not be bought easily and if the player would took it from someone it would be obvious. I’m not talking here about regular unpolished armor. Maybe i dint express my self correctly.

Yes that’s not much of a price. Yes the difference is some century’s but did the price of a cottage really changed so much? We can also talk about price differences in regions. Maybe you could get a luxury cottage for 6 pounds. Or a crappy one for 1 pound. There are many variations but you could get some cottages for the price of an armor.

Also please take in notice we are talking about a smith in Czech lands. I doubt he will earn as much as an mounted archer on an campaign.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=lO6eBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&dq=medieval+peasant+house+cost&source=bl&ots=6kUW4aQS9b&sig=s-gx-z9lkSk6CnrHEb_Hu1a3oxk&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=PaJAVcSwG429aZzKgMAD&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=medieval%20peasant%20house%20cost&f=false

lists something in the region of 2-11 pounds with 4 being the median which would mean the value doubled. If we really want to find out we need to find records of peasants contracting carpenters and thatchers.

However the word cottage can mean different things in different times.

Yes but Henry is an adventuring dragon slaying smith. :smile:

I am not sure about the income difference between mounted archers (which were not usual for the territory of the Czech Crown lands) and blacksmithes in general, but armorers were making pretty decent money.

Minus the dragon slaying bit though :stuck_out_tongue: #DungeonsNoDragons

You’re mistaken, Henry himself is the reason dragons aren’t around anymore.

We’ll get to see that story in the prequel I believe :wink:

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Too bad that St. George killed the last dragon thousand years before.

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That’s strange. Then what explains the fact that I am living with one?

Time machine explains all

Hm, yeah, this might be it. That would explain why she doesn’t like to talk about her age!

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