I think add some kids npcs will be good

IIRC it’s self-cencorship most of the time not the actual laws being enfored same as with killable children. I am pretty sure the law makes spesific exeptions for swastikas in a historical context.

I’ll just add one more thing you could do with children (although this was taking place 250 years later).

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6, topic:18571, full:true”]I visited a very detailed museum exhibition in Jeseník this summer, which was covering the Northern Moravia witch trials. I was horrified to find out that the Jesuits were burning alive also infants. I am not sure if I remember correctly, but I think that the youngest recorded person burned in the area for witchcraft was 3/4 year old (it was definitely less than 2 years old).

Absolutely horrifying. [/quote]

In my opinion you are not alone in your head, clearly fail to understand my posts and showing aggresive behaviour towards other people’s ideas which in a matter of fact you can’t even comprehend.

I consider your mail to me offensive and I will notify the forum moderators about it. Stop wasting my time and get a life you ignorant …!

Most of us here are trying to make a positive discussion about Deliverance and the only thing you do here is to ruin the athmosphere. I have no intention to respond to your posts anymore, so quit it right now!

If anyone is prone to help get a thread shut down it’s probably you, @Suporder. You have often gone straight to using an obnoxious and disrespectful tone with others, frequently inviting the sort of back-and-forth that leads nowhere fast.

I’m not sure if this is just the way you are or if you’re intentionally trying to bait people for the hell of it, but I have asked the moderators to look into it. It’s not a welcome attitude here and I doubt I’m the only one who feels that way whenever your name shows up with a comment. You make good points sometimes, but it’s dragged down by your incendiary manners.

It’s probably no coincidence that, since you started commenting more frequently on Oct. 9, the overall lack of civility has increased.

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Does it always have to end like this? It is not that hard to keep a conversation friendly or at least polite. If you feel insulted flag his or hers post or mail good ol´ @TobiTobsen about it. That´s why he is here (well at least it´s a part of his job). If you insult back, you break the rules of this forum too.
Yeah I know…it was always the other person who started it, but that´s not important… really.
So everyone who reads this: please see it as a friendly reminder to stay calm and either not react at insults and trolling at all or if you really have to, do it calm, reasonable and without insults.
Thank you very much :slight_smile:

(I hope I don´t sound like a hypocrite…but I just like a peaceful atmosphere)

EDIT: And to say something on-topic again: Although it would be a bit strange to have immortal kids walking around, I don´t think it would bother me that much. I think it does not add that much to the game to have killable kid npc´s in the game, the other way ´round it wouldn´t be that bad.
So I suppose, I´ll like the game no matter if they are implemented or not.

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I would like to add, that killing adults is not okay. It’s just that in most video games you’ve got a good reason to kill them, because they’re hostile or wear good equipment. Even the regular peasant could pose a threat or will become hostile if you steal from him. So being able to kill them is a necessary game mechanic. But calling Suporder a hypocrite is not correct.

In my opinion, non-killable children are fine. It won’t break immersion, because I don’t care about chasing and beheading them. They’re non-relevant for the mature gamer (except for making towns looking busy and realistic).

So:
For the sake of this game not becoming unfairly rated or banned (be it justly or not) I vote for non-killable kids. There ARE people out there who care about this, believe it or not, and they will feel offended and talk down to the devs.
Not because they don’t understand that they’re just looking at some pixels, but because they feel that disgusting virtual things are hardly less disgusting than disgusting real things.
If I follow your logic, you could simply make a game for everything, because as long as it is virtual, everybodys fine, right?

Just wait a couple of days after the release and you’ll get a mod that satisfies your wishes.

Edit: Seeing elder people and/or pregnant women would be also a nice touch. Please go for it!

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One more thing concerning murdering children and comparison of such deeds to other murders:

It is very true that a murder of a child is not worse or different than a murder of an adult. It simply can not be worse / more condemnable just because you take the life of a younger person. You still end the life/existence of a human being. And the right to life is clearly the primary and most important human right because without life there is nothing more / or at least no more human rights or freedoms possible.

On the other hand to kill a child or woman or an older person is usually seen as more condemnable than killing a man who can defend himself. It is probably seen as an act of cowardice, something fundamentally dishonorable. And secondly, human communities tends to protect their young because of the inherent parental instinct. We simply urge our family / tribe / community etc. to survive.

Based on that it seems perfectly acceptable to protect children, older persons and perhaps even women in the game from the possibly evil player’s actions. It somehow makes sense.

I would like to add that this thread starts to seem like a vicious circle.

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Yes, I agree with you!

I want to clear things in case someone else didn’t understand my original post’s meaning.
I will state that I do not endorse killing/looting of any kind. I also don’t like games/movies with immature unreasonable violence in them. But I vouch for the freedom of mind - I can not stand any type of censorship and would oppose it with all the moral and reasonable arguments a sane person could come up with.

My original opposition for being unable to kill children in-game was made because this inability comes in form of a censorship, imposed to us out-of-gameplay reasons - I don’t like that. I also don’t like censorship of any type in real life too, nor any type of oppressive government.
I am against that absurd of some people who has nothing to do with us gamers to tell us what we can play and what we can not. That’s all. Whoever thinks my reasons are wrong, well, its your choice. Nonetheless, I am who I am and I will continue to oppose censorship of any kind.

As far as @Suporder thought I made parallels between Nazi Germany and killing kids in Deliverance, well, he clearly didn’t comprehend my views at all…

I made that comparison (well not exactly THAT), and I did it for a reason. You’re absolutely right: Why ban a symbol? Yet to avoid getting a game probably banned devs avoid to put it. Is it the right thing to do? Nope. But you can’t argue with people who see Counter Strike for example as the reason for school shootings. Or Depressive Black Metal as reason for suicide. How would you explain them you put it in killable kids for the sake of reality and freedom of players choice?
That’s what I intended to show.

that’s perfectly fine, but I think you can’t start protesting against it out of a game. To show stuff people don’t want to be shown might bring some publicity but the media will in the end disregard your good intentions and bash the project. In the end it will do more harm to it then good.

probably because no one is interested enough in your ramblings to sift them for an actual point. :wink:

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Was that really necessary?
I don´t think so.

The topic is closed, warnings were sent.

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