Plusewhy would the FED or indeed my group (the english umbrella’ organisation all WOR re-enactment groups are part of,) not allow women on the feild in the infaltry section, not even when they are dressed as man In order to keep it accurate historicly only to then compleetly ignore that rule/need to keep thins historicaly correct and let them go on (dressed as women)in the archery lines and gunning crews. They would not do that.
It’s not just my group other groups do this it too
I don’t got too much experience of re-enactment groups (though I always wanted to join one!) but I’m certainly don’t see a reason not to let women be part of it just as well as the men dressed up accordingly. That’d just seem silly.
I’m still very dubious that women were ever in the European medieval ages utilized in fighting forces and recognized as soldiers, in neither archery or gunnery troops. I spent a while looking into, both on some books and the web but I’ve never heard of any mention of anything like that and all records seem to point that it was only males that ever took up military duty. If you could point me to some reliable records where I could read on this though, I’d be happy to look it up.
I know for a fact women had a more active role in this time than many ackowledge as I’ve personally researched it, never found anything about them serving in an army though. It doesn’t seem to make sense for the era at all.
Iam sure that I come across mention of females helping man guns and dig trenches… but tit might be during the 30year war or English civil war… I will try to find the reference.
I really do believe that a female character would make the game significantly more interesting. She has many disadvantages in the world (since it’s supposed to be quite realistic) but may have other advantages (such as men being lulled into a false sense of security, etc.)
I think it would make the game much more complex and realistic. Not to mention a blacksmith’s daughter would likely have learned the trade regardless of if she was to be married off.
So far I can tell you that there will be a different story for the female character. So you won’t play the story twice. But on the other hand we can’t publish the same game twice with a completely different story. We are rather thinking of a prequel which will be shorter than the normal story and will/can be played with a female character.
@TobiTobsen thanks for the update. This news is huge. A smaller prequel package featuring the female character will make a lot of gamers who wanted the option to play a female very happy.
I’m personally excited to hear that there is a smaller prequel story on the drawing board! A KCD prequel quest-series means more story and that makes my day.
I look forward to hearing more as this idea solidifies.
this was confirmed from the vary start of the campaign. why are you guys who pledged acting surprised?
The role of women in the latter Middle Ages is certainly quite an interesting one. I actually had a small discussion recently about this over on the HEMA boards, about whether a woman would have been admitted to the Marxbrüder or one of the other fencing guilds (general consensus: There was no specific law, or even a rule within the guilds themselves, that would bar a woman from joining the guild or even become a master. However it likely didn’t happen frequently because of the larger societal views on gender roles).
It should really be noted that women of all social ranks weren’t quite as shut out of society as the popular conception of the Middle Ages says. For example, women in the Holy Roman Empire could freely join the trade guilds. Women were also admitted to the English Order of the Garter practically from its inception (I once counted approximately 1/4 of members of the Order between its foundation in 1348 and 1488 when Henry VII ended the practice were women). One I particularly find interesting is that the last two pages of the I.33 manuscript (the treatise on fencing sword and buckler) depict a woman.
And while this is getting into the Late Renaissance, I think one of my favorite historical figures may be Julie d’Aubigny, whose real-life exploits put (Captain) Jack Sparrow to shame.
Now, I’m NOT saying that the designers of the game should change the story they have planned to accommodate a female main character. But it’s a very fascinating aspect of the period to look at, especially as new information on the role of women in the Middle Ages comes to light.
And once Kingdom Come (parts I, II and III) is finished, if the team is ever looking for another project to take on, I’d TOTALLY love to see a game adaptation of my book, which features a female protagonist. Or at least work with y’all on a new story in that setting. 
it’s funny how these guys just jump in at the 226th post without giving a shit of all the previous ones, stating something that was already being answered in post 3 and dicussed through the subsequent 200 posts 
That’s pretty normal. I fear nobody reads every 200 posts in a thread like that.
The reason I said what I said is that this new information sounds indicates that the female character will have her own story. This lends itself to her presence being more than one or two quests. The way the post reads makes it sound like her role will be expanded which means more story content and that’s something I am happy about.
I don’t know what it is with this community and piling on people. It makes people not want to post for fear they will be attacked. No other forum I participate in is such a shark tank.
You must be new on the internet, welcome 
Peace, these are just innocent remarks. 
Are those forums you participate in really on the internet? I think this community is above average.
The fact is that Tobi really didn’t say anything new. A prequel about female character who will save a main hero is known for quite a long time.
yep i didn’t expect him (mspinelli) to read ALL of them but at least a quick glance at what has been said before, there wont be a female version of the smith, this has been stated A LOT of times in this thread, it’s on their kickstarter page etc.
It’s full of people (on the internet) totally ignorant about the subject their are discussing, who think that the rest of the world should really hear their opinion while they could not even bother to use 30 sec to read what has been said before or do some research lol
I think the game and the forum could benefit from a good FAQ system on the site. I know that Warhorse has teamed up with IGN for creating a wiki about Kingdom Come Deliverance so maybe they should feature a link to that new wiki prominently on the side so that people can inform themselvers about the features of the game already known instead of asking the same questions again and again on the forum here.
If you think things are bad now, wait until the game is released and the forum is suddenly full of people going WHY CANT I PLAY AS A WIZARD?1!!?
As a Female I really don’t enjoy playing a male character as much as I do when playing a female. I get more into my character as if it were me in the story.
If this game doesn’t allow me to play as such then I most likely wont be buying the game until it is very cheap. Yes,it may be my loss but that is something I can live with. I will just go read a book or buy another game that does allow for me to play the way I choose.
There are plenty of women throughout the dark ages who did bear arms with their husbands.
The game looks very good but I wont be buying it for a long time after release.
There are extremely few records of any women actually bearing arms in medieval times so thats fairly debatable.
Its a shame you’re not interested in the game because of the lack of a female protagonist but it wouldn’t make much sense in the story Warhorse are wanting to tell in this game.
Besides that you aren’t creating a Skyrim style ‘blank slate’ character but you will be playing as Henry who is an established character you won’t be customizing in any way but the choices you make playing him.
During this period… not there was not. I actually don’t know of any females who did so… And I have looked.
There is a number of female nobles who lead political factions, usually for their underaged sons.
Some even lead armies in the field, but they did not fight personally.
There are many cases of poor females who fought, but they where not trained to do so, and did so in defense of them self or home… or as part of a peasant rebellion.
And then there are cases of females fighting in defense of towns under siege.
The only case of females joining the husbands that I know off is during the crusades to the middle east, but that was centuries before this game and not in the same geographic area And the question is did they fight?(willingly).
And yes, there might have been some female warriors during the viking age,(they are mentioned a lot in the sagas so it would be strange if there was not)
But again centuries before… a comparison to today is actually close in time.
The devs want to tell a story of a specific character in a specific historical context… not make a game like Skyrim… and in this context the story would be very different with a female main character than the one we get with a male. And they simply don’t have the time and resources to do both.
This is the key problem, unless you want an incredibly generic, bland, one-size-fits-all environment. Unless you were to make it the Disney Theme Park version of the Middle Ages, a female character would face:
The Holy Roman Empire had VERY strictly defined gender roles in society. While England and, perhaps, France were to varying degrees more egalitarian (and even then bear in mind we’re only talking by comparison to the HRE), with both England and France allowing women to be appointed to the various orders of Chivalry, the HRE was much more restrictive. In fact it was outright ILLEGAL for a respectable woman to visit a tavern without a male escort, usually her husband (in other words, a woman by herself at a tavern would likely be assumed to be a prostitute). It goes both ways, of course. Brewing was considered a woman’s profession during this time, so outside of monasteries it would be extraordinarily rare to see a male brewer.
A woman ignoring these gender roles would face SIGNIFICANT hostility. And not just from men, but from other women, as well. While in our 21st century culture we (mostly) believe that anyone can be who and what they want, regardless of their gender or income level, this was NOT the case in Medieval Europe. Who and what you could be were strictly defined by both your social class and gender, and someone who ignored that was very literally upsetting the “natural order” of society. People view that as threatening and dangerous, and they WILL respond negatively, if not violently.
Wrath of the Church. While much of what happened to Joan d’Arc was politically-motivated, and even AT THE TIME it was outright acknowledged to be a miscarriage of justice (so that’s saying a lot when you consider the justice standards of the day), the Church itself enforced those gender restrictions. A woman dressing like a man – specifically, wearing PANTS – actually WAS considered heresy. To say nothing of a woman going around doing “men’s work.” So yeah, the Church wouldn’t exactly look too kindly on “Henrietta.” Especially because unlike the average townsperson who might stop at hurling garbage and insults, the Church has the actual LEGAL authority for far harsher measures…
Of course, the Church DID have a loophole: Women WERE permitted to dress in men’s fashion in appropriate situations. So a woman that does a lot of traveling (like your generic fantasy sword-swinging adventuress) might be given dispensation for pants, because wearing a dress might be impractical on the road (using d’Arc as an example, she was allowed to dress in men’s fashion while imprisoned because the guards were raping her when she was wearing dresses, and pants offered her better protection). But that mostly means that while a female could still be prosecuted for violating social conventions by serving in the army, the Church just wouldn’t add charges for wearing pants on top of it.
In other words, while it’s not IMPOSSIBLE for a female character to be made to work in this story, for it to be in ANY way realistic would basically require an entirely different set of character interactions (for that matter, she might need TWO sets of interactions if you want to have different reactions depending on how a female approaches another character. IE, dressing in men’s fashion might provoke hostility, while dresses may yield a more positive reaction).
COUGH
http://www.bowlore.com/0.02_0.04_0.02_0_308_409_csupload_49612398.jpg
Depiction of a woman from the I.33 manuscript. I’m not sure if she’s intended to be the master or the student on these folios (possibly the latter, as the teacher is almost universally rendered as a priest or monk), but regardless it’s a VERY clear indication that women of at least some social classes DID receive formal training at arms.
