The issue of acurate historical clothing and how to implement it in the game

agreed with dushin. and why should kermit’s hood be dirty? he’s a blacksmith, not a mud wrestler. again, bad information and bad logic being applied

Well seems like a clumsy outfit for a blacksmith, why it should be dirty? Because he is a blacksmith, I want to see you stand around a forge all day and have a spotless hood xD

he doesn’t work with his head, he works with his hands :wink:

Yes as I said, ive just got a problem with the fact that they all have hoods xD Even the peasants have them, and that in its self is not wrong, but having all sorts of coulour combination, like yellow and black, on a random peasant seems like a bit weird to me. where are the more basic, no pattern, one coulor hoods, they where the common ones, not the fancy shit you see in the vidoes ;/

lol, All the sot and fire all day long, I think its quite reasonable that he should be more dirty looking but maby im wrong, just saying :stuck_out_tongue:

i don’t see peasants wearing elaborate hoods, only soldiers and nobles. and colored hoods isn’t some kind of privilege. you simply dyed the textile.

Some people got rich with dying in medieval times. I think it wasnt that simple.

Edit: Blue was maybe the most wanted color in medieval times. In the HRE the city “erfurt” got rich with this buisnes. They made it out of “woad”. Thats much work and high costs.

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Well that depends on the type of dye, some colors were more expensive than others.

Velvet red for example was a dye considered expensive and there is a reason purple is a royal color.

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Simply dyed xD lol have you any idea what you are talking about xD

you’re right, they used laser printer to put the colors on

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completely agree.
not to forget that the coif was the main male head cover (at least for married men and in hotter months), not the gugel. I love wearing a gugel when it’s cold outside, but I guess only max. 5 % here ever did wear a (mostly woolen) gugel in summer heat and know that one wouldn’t do that if he could choose…

EDIT- especially not with a hot forge in front of him :smiley:

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I have to say I would rather hate to see KC:D perpetuating the same stupid notions once again, that people ran around all filthy and dirty to no end, with all ragged and torn crap clothing in grey and brown and of the shittiest materials.

Clothing WAS expensive. Some Colours WERE expensive to dye in very brilliant and bright shades.

But in an age where clothing very much marked your status in society, where people treated you according to your outfit, and where clothing needed to last for a good time (not just for the poor but also the normal or well to do people),

NO ONE could afford running around like a bag of sh*t.

Clothing was made from the appropriate materials, in qualities that ensured a decent look and a long life of the garment. Sewing the seams and construction was done in a way that looked good and was durable. Damaged Items were carefully patched. And then as much as today, maybe even more, people apreciated colour. So affordable versions of colours were widely used.

A deep black was, contrary to hollywood and myth, actually a terribly difficult colour to dye. And whilst woad blue and scarlet red were very expensive, there were not-quite-as-brilliant-or-pure-but-still-pretty-but-much-cheaper dyes for red and blue and other colours.

And whilst people often were not as squeaky clean as we think of ourselves today, they did recognise that clean things look better and are more comfortable, and kept their clothing ‘clean’.

I am tired of Clothing in Fantasy Games being utterly nonsensical, against any function and of such coarse materials and construction, that they’d fall apart within hours of putting them on.

As per hoods: well they are terribly warm, but I trust War Horse will implement a vast selection of other headgears. There are even, I believe, many diffrent and interesting ways to wear a gugel, like a hat e.g.

LAst bit: patterned edges etc are terribly simple to make. The most standard fabric used was wool, and any wool of a decent quality (most of our modern wool fabrics are far too thin) hold a raw edge, i.e. wont ravel when cut. So simply cutting a patterned edge is barely any effort. You dont need to make a difficult patterned lining or binding etc.

And quite often the pattern was a piece of iron, almost like a chisel, with which the edge was cut using a hammer. Simple, decorative, cheap.

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yeah i know what you mean but it just a tech alpha. I’m thinking the hoodies would be more used if it rains or cold weather sets in. but that would be in future builds of the game.

It would be nice if head wear would be commonplace again. The sun is really strong where I live, so being to wear a broad brimmed hat made of felted fur would be nice.

Woah, black in medieval times on a peasant. Yeah, that would be unseen of. Black is probably the rarest, most expensive colour during this time period, due to there being no naturally occurring plant that produces black dye. The cloth would have to be dyed with another colour, like blue woad for example, until it became dark enough to be black. That would have been a massive expense.

What about carbon or ink from mushrooms?

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Carbon, as in carbon used in pencils? How would you get that to set in the fabric? And would the ink from mushrooms make a “true black/jet black” as we know today? It is very likely that whenever there is referral to someone wearing something black it might just as well be a dark shade of grey, brown or blue.

I was going to say there are dyes used from the countless mushroom species that produce black spores, but even so it would not have been commonplace enough not to be extremely expensive.

Im not postive on the processes but black ink can be made from charcoal glycerine and alcohol.

Ill try to look up some resources but black ink has been used by many tribes in their tattoos since like the dawn of tribal society.

Where were these tribes located? Unless you take Ibn Fadlan’s accounts completely literally, Europeans hadn’t had tattoos in a long time by the 15th century. Using cultures from different time periods and geographic locations as an example to justify something being present in a completely different place doesn’t work.