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[TheDivineInfidel]

Never said Africa was a country. But you cannot deny how fucked up it is. Uganda was heavily imperalized by the British and look at it now.

look at it before

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2454, topic:21032”]
Yeah sorry i don’t have to leave my country to learn about other places. Visiting a country doesn’t make you an expert on that country.
[/quote] no but you get to experience its culture and people . i generally feel sorry for you that you have not had the chance to travel abroad you’re missing so much in life .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2454, topic:21032”]
I do know that millions starved to death in India under British rule.
[/quote] look at india before we went there . speak to an indian about the british empire . most indians are extremely thankful for what we did

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2454, topic:21032”]
. I do know that a million people starved to death in Ireland under british rule.
[/quote] these tragic events happen we by no means starved them on purpose . many were in poverty . bit like the US today very rich government but the people remained very poor .

I will say this. Sure the empire did do some good but the fact that you think it was all sunshine and rainbows is disturbing.

we did alot of long term good along side a fair amount of short term bad .

maybe you should read what people write

[SirWarriant]

look at it before

Yeah before they lived the way they wanted too and then got slaughtered by brits with rifles. By that logic the American indians were better off when we got to them…

no but you get to experience its culture and people . i generally feel sorry for you that you have not had the chance to travel abroad you’re missing so much in life .

Its not a matter of me not wanting to go there its a matter of money. I don’t think you realize how much it would cost. My cousins went to Europe recently and it costed them each around 3,000 dollars. i have better things to spend my money on.

look at india before we went there . speak to an indian about the british empire . most indians are extremely thankful for what we did

Thats great, are you denying all the things you did to India that i mentioned above?

hese tragic events happen we by no means starved them on purpose . many were in poverty . bit like the US today very rich government but the people remained very poor .

No several of the decisions made by the empire resulted in the starvation of these people. Food was not sent to the starving Irish even though they were citizens of the crown. The people that survived left for America because we feed our people here

[TheDivineInfidel]

on a friendlier note . GTAV in 5 hours !!!

[TheDivineInfidel]

Yeah before they lived the way they wanted too and were slaughtered by brits with rifles. By that logic the American indians were better off when we got to them…

ohh please actually read about these places before . they were murdering each other . raping eachother we installed law and order which yes required us to rule with an iron fist but as seen in the middle east today thats what these people need .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2456, topic:21032”]
Its not a matter of me not wanting to go there its a matter of money. I don’t think you realize how much it would cost. My cousins went to Europe recently and it costed them each around 3,000 dollars. i have better things to spend my money on.
[/quote] what about south america .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2456, topic:21032”]
i have better things to spend my money on.
[/quote] such as ? i guarantee when you grow old a frail you will look back at statements like these with nothing but regret , seriously im not attacking you here im being genuine when i say you really should see the world .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2456, topic:21032”]
Thats great, are you denying all the things you did to India that i mentioned above?
[/quote] not even a little bit

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2456, topic:21032”]
No several of the decisions made by the empire resulted in the starvation of these people. Food was not sent to the starving Irish even though they were citizens of the crown. The people that survived left for America because we feed our people here
[/quote] hahaha yea say that to the 30% living in poverty

[snejdarek]

anyone that doesnt see the good the British empire did t the countries we colonised is someone that has never had an interest it reading into it

Reminds me on this.

Thanks, but no thanks. Bullshit propaganda is bullshit propaganda no matter where it comes from.

I will not go into the merits of what you say, though. What I meant is that once the British Empire was over, you were left with millions of deaths on your hands and with shared intertwinned economic interests with the elites in the countries you used to occupy. There was no higher thought, nothing to aspire to.

China may rise and fall, and it will be the same for them. (Bar a few loonies like the contemporary Hungarian leadership that says that freedoms need to give a way to economic growth as they do in China.)

Russian expanstionist communism at least brought an idea that some aspire to, even though it is clear in any post-communist non-Russian country that only a very small minority identifies themselves with the idea.

USA may or may not lose their contemporary international position, but the ideas and thoughts that the country represented (past tense) were and will remain at the focus of aspirations of many. Many individuals as well as many nations.

If I get back to the Kingdom Come - the game takes time in the era when the Czech philosophy concentrated on personal freedom. This was something that the nation aspired to for hundreds of years, and US success showed that this aspiration may be fulfilled.

[SirWarriant]

ohh please actually read about these places before . they were murdering each other . raping eachother we installed law and order which yes required us to rule with an iron fist but as seen in the middle east today thats what these people need .

Right so instead you did the rape, the murdering ect. There is still tribal warfare going on in Africa today so i would say your little plan failed. Why isn’t Africa a thriving place now? If you were so successful
there.

what about south america .

More examples of European imperialism gone wrong. How ever i would rather live in South American than in Africa for the most part. Argentina is supposed to be really nice actually.

such as ? i guarantee when you grow old a frail you will look back at statements like these with nothing but regret , seriously im not attacking you here im being genuine when i say you really should see the world .

Don’t have the time or money to do it. I cant just pull 4 grand out of my ass. Its expensive to even travel across my state.

not even a little bit

Yes you are. You said that Africa is better off now than it was before the Brits rolled in which we both know is bullshit.

hahaha yea say that to the 30% living in poverty

They still get to eat. Soup kitchens and food stamps are a better alternative to starving to death or being enslaved don’t you think?

[TheDivineInfidel]

you have so many opinions on the outside world that are so wrong , which is solely down to you never seeing the world . you really should go forget the cost . money isnt important in life .

i try to live by this

the dalai lama was once asked what confused him most he said

"modern day man , they trade all of their life to try and get money , only to spend all of their money to try and get their life back .
not only that but they spend all of their time so anxious about whats going to happen next that they never experience the now .
And they live every day as if they are never going to die , only to die never have really lived . "

[SirWarriant]

you have so many opinions on the outside world that are so wrong , which is solely down to you never seeing the world . you really should go forget the cost . money isnt important in life .

Lol okay i can see money has never been a problem for you then . You’re so delusional i guess staying in a five star hotel in a country instantly makes you an expert on that country. And sorry all the atrocities i listed were not “world views” they were documented events but i can see you’re just going to deny them because you don’t want to realize your ancestors were no better than the Nazis.

the dalai lama was once asked what confused him most he said

"modern day man , they trade all of their life to try and get money , only to spend all of their money to try and get their life back . not only that but they spend all of their time so anxious about whats going to happen next that they never experience the now .And they live every day as if they are never going to die , only to die never have really lived . "

Wow back up. All religious people are insane and horrible people remember?

[TheDivineInfidel]

Right so instead you did the rape, the murdering ect. There is still tribal warfare going on in Africa today so i would say your little plan failed. Why isn’t Africa a thriving place now? If you were so successful there.

we did not rape at all we were a professional force any member of military found to have raped someone would of been tried and likely sent to the gallows .

we left all of these nation with an infrastructure , roads , railways , governments . unfourntly many of these nations have fell to greed . and become corrupt down to us pulling out to quickly and leaving a power vacum . the countries we pulled out slowly for the most part are doing well . india being one of them .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2460, topic:21032”]
Yes you are. You said that Africa is better off now than it was before the Brits rolled in which we both know is bullshit.
[/quote] it is . look into africa before we entered and what it was when we left .

[TheDivineInfidel]

Wow back up. All religious people are insane and horrible people remember?

dalai lama is a Buddhist they dont believe in a god they believe in being at one with yourself etc and the right way of living

[SirWarriant]

we did not rape at all we were a professional force any member of military found to have raped someone would of been tried and likely sent to the gallows .

Oh my god im done. You’ve clearly been fed bullshit your whole life. I guess its okay for a professional force to murder children because hey its only wrong when America does it.

we left all of these nation with an infrastructure , roads , railways , governments . unfourntly many of these nations have fell to greed . and become corrupt down to us pulling out to quickly and leaving a power vacum . the countries we pulled out slowly for the most part are doing well . india being one of them

Yeah and all of those did jack shit. Those countries were fine before you entered them. They did not need your assistance. India is slowly recovering but again that is not thanks to you.

it is . look into africa before we entered and what it was when we left .

Okay then by this logic the Americas were better off after Europeans invaded them?

[snejdarek]

look into africa before we entered and what it was when we left

That is actualy the worst thing of them all. You not only destroyed everything there was, but you actually tried very hard to destroy any mention of what used to be before you came (very much like the Spaniards and Catholic church in Central and South America). And then you added insult to injury by not adding the pre-colonial history of countries you ravaged to your contemporary school-books.

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/students/curriculum/m10/activity2.php

List of kingdoms in pre-colonial Africa

Reading you reminds me on how Austrians start talking after a couple of beers about the greatness of the Habsburg empire and what the Austrian uberrace brought to the sub-races of other folks.

I always wait for the moment they start talking about how Austrians should be thanked for introducing universal education in its territories… only to ask them whether it would not be better not to abolish it in the Czech lands in the 1620s in the first place and killing/forcing away 2/3 of the inhabitants in the 1630s-1640s, before I get to the other issues.

(Just to make sure - I am not making you are any contemporary Brits responsible for that. This is history. I am, however, holding you responsible for believing in the propaganda about the benefits of colonialism.)

[TheDivineInfidel]

That is actualy the worst thing of them all. You not only destroyed everything there was, but you actually tried very hard to destroy any mention of what used to be before you came (very much like the Spaniards and Catholic church in Central and South America). And then you added insult to injury by not adding the pre-colonial history of countries you ravaged to your contemporary school-books.

http://exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu/students/curriculum/m10/activity2.php

yea we defeated the tribes and installed law and order

[quote=“snejdarek, post:2466, topic:21032”]
avaged to your contemporary school-books.
[/quote] british empire is not taught at our schools much to my annoyance .

[SirWarriant]

yea we defeated the tribes and installed law and order

And where the fuck is that law and order now bud? You have child soliders and tribals murdering each other. You just made everything worse.

[TheDivineInfidel]

Oh my god im done. You’ve clearly been fed bullshit your whole life. I guess its okay for a professional force to murder children because hey its only wrong when America does it.

america doesnt murder children if they did the soldier would be tried in front of a court .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2465, topic:21032”]
Yeah and all of those did jack shit. Those countries were fine before you entered them. They did not need your assistance. India is slowly recovering but again that is not thanks to you.
[/quote] india didnt exist before us .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2465, topic:21032”]
Okay then by this logic the Americas were better off after Europeans invaded them?
[/quote] yes indeed they were if we didnt the US wouldnt exist YOU wouldnt exist and they would still be living in tents

[TheDivineInfidel]

And where the fuck is that law and order now bud? You have child soliders and tribals murdering each other. You just made everything worse.

that was not the case when we ere there though was it ? like i said thir issues of today started after we left because we left to quickly what we should done was do it gradually over many years . giving them power by power but instead we dropped sticks and went because of the attuide after the war that empires should be dissvolved for the sake of world peace . but has ultimatly caused more war through power struggles in these old colonies bit it french , dutch , italian or british etc

[SirWarriant]

america doesnt murder children if they did the soldier would be tried in front of a court .

We did the Indians. The wounded knee massacre, the Sand Creek massacre, and several others. U.S Calvary man killed them and scalped them. How ever we recognize those crimes you clearly don’t.

yes indeed they were if we didnt the US wouldnt exist YOU wouldnt exist and they would still be living in tents

I know i wouldn’t exist how ever the people living here originally are not better off. Go see an indian reservation some time. Nothing but poverty and the men are such bad alcoholics they can’t support their families properly. And south America is definitely not better off.

that was not the case when we ere there though was it ? like i said thir issues of today started after we left because we left to quickly what we should done was do it gradually over many years . giving them power by power but instead we dropped sticks and went because of the attuide after the war that empires should be dissvolved for the sake of world peace . but has ultimatly caused more war through power struggles in these old colonies bit it french , dutch , italian or british etc

So you came you murdered a bunch left disease took the wealth and left. Thats exactly what happened and we both know that.

[TheDivineInfidel]

We did the Indians. The wounded knee massacre, the Sand Creek massacre, and several others. U.S Calvary man killed them and scalped them. How ever we recognize those crimes you clearly don’t.

we recognise all the crimes we carried out . if you read the article i posted you would seen it started from a trip our prime minster made where he joined in a ceremony to the indians that were killed at the hands of the british at Amritsar

[snejdarek]

yea we defeated the tribes and installed law and order

Funny, that is what the Nazis said too.

Almost for every single place of land under British colonial rule there is a history of extermination, enslavement and humiliation of the indigenous population. If that is the British law and order, then I am happy UK never achieved anything on the European continent.

How Britain Denies its Holocausts

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2006/jul/22/comment.mainsection

[TheDivineInfidel]

I know i wouldn’t exist how ever the people living here originally are not better off. Go see an indian reservation some time. Nothing but poverty and the men are such bad alcoholics they can’t support their families properly. And south America is definitely not better off.

all better of before they had nothing , no healthcare , no education . you see first world problems . where before there problems were literally life and death .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2472, topic:21032”]
So you came you murdered a bunch left disease took the wealth and left. Thats exactly what happened and we both know that.
[/quote] not at all .
we came
murdered
installed infrastructure
healthcare , education , roads , cities , money , railways
we invested in these areas and created nations . yes we made money from it of course why would we not ?
then left to early quickly

for their to be peace you must first kill all thoughs that stand in its way and thats the hard fucking truth