#7500

Well, that is actually when the German HK 36s started melting in Afghanistan to the point that German army now speedily looks for replacement of all of its 36 stockpile.

#7501

no , your going to murders im talking a terrorist attack . which is the deliberate use of violence against civilians in the hope of attaining political or religious aims…

so yes the Charleston shooting .

so while when the islamic extremists hit , its generally quite large . the right wing extremists hit more regular on smaller terms , thus making them actually a bigger everyday threat to the US .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7495, topic:21032”]
World trade center bombing, Boston bombing, two fort hood shootings committed by Muslims. Garland terror attack, a Jewish rabbi in Florida, a women beheaded in Oklahoma, Recruitment office was shot up by a Muslim,
[/quote] ahh yess of course , excuse me on that i typed that while in traffic :slight_smile:

a recent case

which was carried out by members/associates of the Michigan Militia.

1996 July 27: Centennial Olympic Park bombing by Eric Robert Rudolph occurred in Atlanta, Georgia, during the Atlanta Olympics. One person was killed and 111 injured. In a statement released in 2005 Rudolph said the motive was to protest abortion and the “global socialist” Olympic Movement.
2002 May: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa. His motivation was to garner media attention so that he could spread a message denouncing government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana, as well as promote astral projection.
2008 July 27: Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting: Jim David Adkisson enters the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee with a shotgun, killing two and injuring several congregants before being tackled to the ground. Adkisson stated to the police and in a manifesto that he desired to kill Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals. Adkisson pled guilty to the crime in February 2009 and was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.[107][108]
2009 June 10: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting: 88-year-old James Wenneker von Brunn, a white supremacist and neo-Nazi, walked into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., shooting and mortally wounding Stephen Tyrone Johns, a security guard. Von Brunn was wounded when other museum guards immediately returned fire and on January 6, 2010, von Brunn died of natural causes at a hospital near where he was imprisoned awaiting trial.[109][110][111] During the investigation it was discovered that von Brunn had planned to target White House senior adviser David Axelrod leading to increased protection for Axelrod and other steps.[112]
2011 January 6: Three packages detonate in the mail rooms of two Maryland state government buildings, causing minor injuries to the fingers of two government workers.
2013 November 1 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting 23-year-old Paul Ciancia kills a Transportation Security Administration agent and wounds 7 others, 3 of them TSA agents. Ciancia was shot and taken into custody. A note found in Ciancia’s pocket said he believed he was a patriot and wanted to kill “patriot” upset at former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, and that he wanted to kill "TSA and pigs"
2014 June 8: Two Las Vegas police officers while eating pizza in a restaurant and one civilian were shot to death allegedly by Jerad and Amanda Miller a married couple in a suicide attack. A Gadsden flag, swastika and a note promising “revolution,” was placed on the deceased officers bodies. The couple were thrown out a patriot group defending rancher Cliven Bundy
2014 September 16: Eric Matthew Frein described as a survivalist is alleged to have killed a Pennsylvania State trooper and critically wounded another at the Blooming Grove barracks. Life was disrupted in the region during the ensuing manhunt. On October 30 Frein was captured near an abandoned airport hangar and was shackled with the handcuff belonging to the trooper he is accused of killing. Prosecutors said they would pursue the death penalty.

#7502

well he tried i guess :slight_smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fSVejb1CYI

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#7503

they handled this quite well :slight_smile: id imagine US police would of made a few holes in his chest :slight_smile:

(from 0:45)

#7504

i fall for this every time (not the last but , never been talked into getting something worse ):slight_smile: always ending spending way more than i wanted too .

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#7505

And the man who murdered the news team. That’s left wing terrorism, yet the news barely picked up on it. By the way your source is wrong, 26 killed by Jihadists is wrong, there have been 75 attacks since 1972 with far more than 26 dead. Over 3000 dead since 72 by the hands of Islamic extremists if you count 9/11.

Flat out lie, neither were members of the Michigan militia. They sympathised with the militia movement, they didn’t belong to a group.

Also you have yet to comment on that document.

You should watch this, the media has done a great job of making them out to be criminals.

#7506

it was only counting from 9/11.

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7505, topic:21032”]
Flat out lie, neither were members of the Michigan militia. They sympathised with the militia movement, they didn’t belong to a group.

Also you have yet to comment on that document.
[/quote] notice the

/associates while he was not a full member Timothy McVeigh attended many of their meetings and certainly was associated with the milita to a degree , it was the main event leading to the miltias demise ,

its important you dont do what the muslims do and deny the right wing and militas do not have some rather nasty people in them . all political view points , be it left , right centre or wherever have extremists who carry such acts out

#7507

watched it before …

#7508

because i have not read it yet

#7509

You said member, and he was not acting under their command, other wise they would be behind bars right now. You should also look into the CIA’s involvement with the Oklahoma bombing.

I don’t see American militias decapitating “infidels”, blowing up schools, stoning people to death, throwing gays off walls, declaring their dominance over the world, forcing their views on others, ect.

The majority of militias are simply a community of people that prepare for disasters together. There were militias helping out with Hurricane Katrina far before the U.S government showed up. They’ve helped people retain their land when the government was trying to take it.

The U.S government does not like people undermining them and making them look stupid. Hence why they’ve made the militias look like ass holes.

I’m not denying this.

#7510

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7509, topic:21032”]
blowing up schools, stoning people to death, throwing gays off walls, declaring their dominance over the world, forcing their views on others, ect.
[/quote] you miss the point of the report completely , its a homeland security report designed to discuss the main threats to the US MAINLAND .
in other words what is a more likely everyday threat . what ISIS are doing in Iraq is irelevent .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7509, topic:21032”]
The majority of militias are simply a community of people that prepare for disasters together. There were militias helping out with Hurricane Katrina far before the U.S government showed up. They’ve helped people retain their land when the government was trying to take i
[/quote] again you’re sounding like the muslims

"the majority of muslims are peaceful people who help out their communities "

so i say to you what i say to them .

The peaceful majority are irreverent

homeland securities role is to identify POSSIBLE threats and monitor them . civilians stock piling weapons and training in the woods and displaying quite extreme political views WILL attract the attention of any decent national intelligence agency .

that does not mean they have done anything wrong.

#7511

No i did not. Your statement implied that me defending militias is like Muslims defending terrorist groups like the Taliban.

I don’t see how decapitating people is helpful to the community.

You’re a fucking idiot if you think the militias are as bad as Islamic terror groups.

#7512

correct you are . im discussing a small minority of miltia members with quite hard right views , as i would be discussing a minority of muslims with an extremist view .

and you replied the same way i would suspect a muslim to reply

"the majority of muslims are simply a community of people peaceful following their religion "

in both occasions the peaceful majority are irrelevant .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7511, topic:21032”]
I don’t see how decapitating people is helpful to the community.
[/quote] the majority of muslims dont chop peoples heads off .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7511, topic:21032”]
You’re a fucking idiot if you think the militias are as bad as Islamic terror groups.
[/quote] again you are talking GLOBALLY .

in a small town in the south the threat from ISIS is alot less than the threat of a extreme right wing gunmen .

the chances of ISIS running through the streets stoning women is a lot fucking less than a white kid shooting up a church full of blacks . correct ?

if you cant see that you lack any sort of common sense .

#7513

Except they don’t act on these views like Muslims do. If American militias acted on their radical views as much as radical Muslim groups did, America would be a constant war zone.

There are plenty of right wing whack jobs that kill in this country, but it is very rare for militia members to do this.

Over 300 million Muslims have radical views. That is the population of America, you will not find this number of extremists in U.S militias.

No but the organized groups do.

The only fights militias have had with the U.S government that i can think of is the Waco incident. But things like the Waco incident occur in the middle east all the time.

And the Waco incident involved a Doomsday cult not really a militia, but for some reason it gets associated with them.

#7514

globally you’re right . but you must remember what may be a large threat to one area may not be to .
another .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7513, topic:21032”]
If American militias acted on their radical views as much as radical Muslim groups did, America would be a constant war zone.
[/quote] and this is where the intelligent agencies earn their pay . they have to identify the ones that are most likely to act on their views . this is done on an individual basis .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7513, topic:21032”]
Over 300 million Muslims have radical views. That is the population of America, you will not find this number of extremists in U.S militias.
[/quote] again you’re talking globally , when the report is only talking about on US STREETS .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7513, topic:21032”]
No but the organized groups do.
[/quote] these groups do not exist in the US .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:7513, topic:21032”]
The only fights militias have had with the U.S government that i can think of is the Waco incident. But things like the Waco incident occur in the middle east all the time.
[/quote] again you’re talking about what happens in the middle east , thats irrelevant to homeland security , who’s job it is to identify threats WITHIN the us border , you’re failing to make that distinction .

im trying to explain this as simply as possible . you simply are not grasping so let me use a situation .

we are in a small town with a large black community . 10 muslims are protesting on the street corner , screaming death to america and all the usual and how all non-believers will go to hell but it doesnt appear to be any more than that .
4 white americans who are known to have far right views and a dislike to blacks are in the woods stock piling weapons , practising combat drills , running through how to clear a building etc possibly practising a shooting .

who would you say is more of the threat to human life in that town ? which group would you investigate further ? and why
both groups at the moment are acting within the law remember. i ask you to actually think about this before answering .

#7515

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-G5mC5WTDY

this is the UK’s most dangerous prison/asylum

#7516

And according to that report. I am a threat and a right wing extremist.

[quote=“TheDivineInfidel, post:7514, topic:21032”]
again you’re talking globally , when the report is only talking about on US STREETS .
[/quote]’

YOU MADE the comparison, between groups like ISIS and American militias.

Again you made the comparison and brought it up not me. I simply said IF American militias were as bad as you claim, then America would be a constant war zone.

#7517

i can look for it, under naap stockpiling food is considered a threat to national security.

also forming or joining a militia and organized protests on federal property is grounds for detention without 1st amendment rights.

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#7518

Land of the free right?

Do you think the world is going to end soon? The internet is going nuts, the particle accelerator, an asteroid ect.

Never hurts to be prepared though. It’s going to have me stressed for the next few weeks, and that really pisses me off.

#7519

The best prison is one where the prisoner thinks himself free.

Nope.

For the those captivated by fear the end is always nigh.

Do you think the world will end soon?

Back in 2008, the 2012 conspiracies were really gnawing at me. I became so consumed by fear that I spiraled into a nihilistic state, I saw no reason to live nor reason to kill myself everything was pointless.

This state lasted until the summer of 2010. I had unknowingly (at the time) began to practice a form of meditation while walking.

I had moved out into the woods close to Mt. Hood (so close you cant see the mountain), this meant I was several miles away from any major town or any form of public transit. On my many long walks into town and back home I became more and more meditative (like being in autopilot) I would delve so deep introspectively that I would make it home and not be sure that I had walked home.

Long story short this process made me go through many existential questions that I answered deep within my core being, I still look back at my journal entries from that time and become humbled by the words written there.

Love is all you need man. Love yourself, and love your neighbor as yourself and there is no need to fear.

We create our own opposition.