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I’ve won/settled cases with worse odds
Well different opinions is one thing.
Coming to a demonstration that is called by a person that is famous for saying that THERE NEED TO BE CONCENTRATION CAMPS FOR MUSLIMS and that MUSLIMS SHALL BE KILLED AND MADE INTO MEAT AND BONE MEAL is not about difference of opinion, that is neo-nazi supporting.
Then going on and sharing neo-nazi propaganda on FB regarding the whole day goes another length.
And in the end describing the event as a nice gathering of mostly normal people and the counter demonstration as the one that is extremely prone to violence after a day in which the three most violent happenings were:
(1) a person at the neo-nazi demonstration firing a pistol in the air (albeit only alarm pistol)
(2) a bunch of neo-nazis trying to disrupt the counter demonstration and then Vávra spending half-a-day describing that it was actually POLICEMEN who were pretending to be neo-nazis
(3) a group of neo-nazis attacking a community center that has been collecting clothes that were donated to refugees mostly in Serbia, beating people up and setting it on fire - that in situation when the main speaker often calls basically everyone opposing him as committing treason and having punishment going their way (and he repeated that also during demonstration Vávra attended)
Nobody attending that demonstration can play a card of “just being against migration”. Just few days before the demonstration a muslim was stabbed (most probably by neonazis, but they don’t have the culprits yet) about 5 minutes away from my home. That after this person and his partner were specifically mentioned in prolific FB posts by the person who summoned the demonstration Vávra attended. (Prague is no London - a person being stabbed here is a big thing, it doesn’t happen on daily basis.)
That is not difference of opinion. That is supporting neo-nazis and lack of basic human decency.
I have no problem with anyone opposing muslim immigration. I oppose it too (well with about 100 coming to the country in 2015 there is nothing to really oppose). But for fuck’s sake, if you stand in line with neo-nazis, don’t try to differentiate yourself from those saying “heil hitler” by saying “I just don’t like kebab, but I am not a neo-nazi”. Don’t try swimming in cesspit and then act surprised that you stink.
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Okay, this picture is going to far. This is about insulting @snejdarek and not about free speech.
You can have opinions here, you can say someone is wrong or right, you can be for and against different matters, but do it with reason and arguing, not with mocking and insulting. This is not okay, even here in the Troll-Cave.
For this reason I suspended @Skoruligr for 5 days now, even if @snejdarek already told me, he did not felt insulted on this picture, and he sees it in the tradtion of the Cave. But in my opinion it did cross a line here.
Please notice that the Cave is a room of lesser strict rules, but it is not a room without rules. Should the Cave stay in this behaviour, I have to close it.
To know what is okay, and what is over the edge, @snejdarek said it in a reasonable way:
This is not only about muslims or concentration camps, but about everyone in every kind of insulting like this. This is also nothing especially against nazi-trolling, as I think this picture is quite fine, because nobody is directly insulted there:
http://forum.kingdomcomerpg.com/uploads/default/original/3X/7/b/7bd6f59ff366f2337e4bb68e86a8c9f307358eb1.gif
Naa… I don´t wear beanies like that. Totally not accurate!
I as under the impression that the Troll Cave has no rules. That is kinda it’s thing. That is something all the members of the Troll Cave agree on. Also, it is even called “The †roll Cave ®™”, the entire point is to troll each other. You know, to try to piss each other off? And have fun doing it?
What happened to “okay, you can keep trolling in the cave, but the thread will be hidden, and you are not allowed to ever mention it to anyone or otherwise lead them to it.”?
C’mon, @snejdarek even clicked liked those images. “did not felt insulted on this picture, and he sees it in the tradtion of the Cave” is an understatement, he liked that I made those images.
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You are allowed to mention this thread to other people in private, but not in public. You can invite new members if you want to.
And no, the Troll Cave does have rules as the other parts of the forum has too. You just need less reason to talk about your opinion (You can talk about your opinion even in the public part, but if you get into extreme perspectives, find good reasons). But here as in the public part, insulting people is not allowed.
Well I personally liked those pictures and I think they were funny. (I especially like that you accepted my point and put Vávra into nazi uniform).
On the other hand this game has a large German following (is even @DrFusselpulli German)? Gas chambers are simply not a thing to joke about in Germany, Israel or Poland for obvious reasons. So from PR view I think it that Vávra’s personal attitudes will be enough of a PR disaster even without gas chamber joke pictures - once the game is out with promised content that should mirror the Czech-German tensions in 1403 Bohemia. Somebody in Germany WILL be pissed off about that and he WILL start digging whether this content is perhaps not so much about lack of political correctness but maybe about someone’s underlying extremist views.
Have you ever been to a gas chamber? I used to live not far from Auschwitz, I visited it several times. Everyone should visit at least once in a lifetime.
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Lol, is this a joke? 90% of this cave is insults, if you scroll back far enough, you’ll see probably 50 posts, of memes that we made to personally attack each other. Lets be honest, the only reason you took an issue with it, is because you’re a German, and you have this attitude that you’re personally responsible for the Holocaust.
I for one would like some consistency, half the time we have the mod team telling us that rules pretty much don’t apply here, then the next minute you’re banning someone with ZERO warning for a fucking meme.
Notwithstanding that I don’t have an issue with the pic, truth to be told we haven’t had pictures in which members of the forum (their avatars) are being murdered, if I remember correctly.
Those countries are living in the past. Move the fuck on, your ancestors have have been victims or evil men, but that does not make you either of those.
Where? Please show me some evidence, I can not remember anything like that. I my memory we never said something like that. Maybe I am wrong, but then show me the evidence.
Yes, thats why I am community manager, because this game does have a huge german audience.
THAT IS FREE SPEECH. Good god man, what do you not get about that. If you think we should be able to pick and choose what goes under free speech, then you do not believe in free speech, feelings DO NOT matter.
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Go back even further you will find more. I made a meme calling @TheDivineInfidel a great big faggot, @McWonderBeast made multiple calling me gay, ect.
You know what, just google Sirwarriant, and you will see literally hundreds of these.
I also thought you guys had a three strike system? Now it’s an insta ban?
Does the freedom of speech mean the freedom to insult?
Your agrument is reasonable here, but it is not that easy.
And I think there is a differerence in calling someone dumb, gay or drug addicted in a meme, or show him getting killed in a gas chamber.
Actually, this first kinds of mocking someone are okay in the Troll Cave, this is one of the freedoms you have here in the Cave, but describing someone to get killed is over the edge.
I was visiting the website you linked and i can tell its a crock of shit from a quick glance. It’s comparing insults to shouting fire in a theater. That is different, because its a call to action, me calling you a faggot doesn’t hurt you unless you fucking let it.
Millions of men died in the west, so we could have the right to say what we want, and when you try to censor that you piss on their graves. There is no middle ground in free speech, you are for it, or you aren’t.
When did you lay that rule out? You never told us that was off limits till after you banned @thisisnonsense.
And you just now have a problem with us describing people getting killed?
I recently said this to @TheDivineInfidel
Said this about the queen
And you can go back and find many more posts of us describing people’s deaths. And again, you never told us anything was off limits here.
Yes, this is exactly what I am talking about. I normally do not read about this thread, thats why I did not said anything about it.
Yes, maybe you are right, we should have more clear rules about it. This will seems less tyrannic.
So why is Skolruligr, still banned? I mean, he was doing nothing wrong, you didn’t make it a rule until after.