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do you know what was staged . do you . 9/11 that was staged as fuck

@McWonderBeast @TheDivineInfidel we should really get back to sandy hook :wink:

I dont think it was staged. People died that day. But the attacks were carried out by the U.S government. No one died at Sandy hook thats the difference.

And this album was released before 9/11…

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Ill leave these here as well. All of these pictures are pre 9/11 it could just be a spooky coincidence but ill let you decide.

interesting @snejdarek

Im going after cars. They kill far more people every year than guns do. The facts are if you take away the cars no one will die in accidents.

skip to 3:30 fot the most awkward moment obama has ever experienced

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but why does a mentally disabled man have access to a weapon that can kill on mass in a very short amount of time

Why was that mentally deranged person not checked into a hospital or given treatment. As @snejdarek has stated there are background checks in his country and screening for mental health. So im willing to bet the man got it illegally off the black market or took it from an irresponsible family who knew their family member was mentally insane but did not lock their weapons up.

You’re right why do we let mentally insane people drive?

we cant lock up every mentally disabled person but he certainly shouldnt have access to a gun in any shape or form , and if he has gotten it off a family member then they need to be held accountable

a car is designed to take you from A to B .
a guns sole purpose is to kill . why would you allow a mentally disabled person to have access to a tool thats sole purpose is to kill ?
you could kill with pretty much any object if used correctly but to give someone who is gone in the head a tool which has the sole purpose to kill is fucking stupid

No but if they are behaving dangerously then we should lock them up or give them treatment. I have an uncle who has schizophrenia and has been behaving rather dangerous. We’ve tried to get him committed before but they wont force him into anything unless he hurts someone or himself. So pretty much they wait until the mental person has done something horrible to do something about them.

And yet cars kill far more people every year than guns do :stuck_out_tongue:

When did i say mentally ill people should have guns? Family members with a mentally ill person in their house should lock their weapons up. As we’ve seen in China Knives can kill just as many people as guns can. The Chinese knife massacre killed more people than any gun attack in the U.S did.

how do you judge how dangerous he is ? plenty of times in these cases it comes out that no alarm bells were there for example here in the UK with the Cumbria shootings (our last mass shooting ) a taxi driver who had a legally own shot gun and rifle . he was not seen as having any mental issues . seen as your everyday joe . but he just snapped one day .
he had just lost a court case involving his devoice a few days earlier. like normal he went to pick up his kid from his ex-wife and the only thing the ex wife said was unusual was the fact that he came in for a cup of tea when normally he would just beep and wait for his child to come out . i believe it was while the kid was at school he then proceeded to go around in his taxi shooting everyone he felt had wronged him in his life and some random people . 12 dead and 15 injured .

which is another reason i dont think guns should be in the hands of civilians on mass because we cannot judge on when someone could snap and use that gun on dozens of people which is the case for alot of mass shootings

yes but that was carried out by a large group of people not one person and they dont happen 247 times a year or however mass shootings it had in that source i put up

my aunt had dementia (died last year ) and she would have spells of being quite aggressive towards her nurses and start trying to bite them etc which meant we had to bounce her around homes as they simply couldnt cope with her . so yes i agree there is a huge issue with how mentally ill people are dealt with

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Almost all the mass shootings in the U.S were not from people that just snapped randomly. The one exception to this was Aurora. The police knew about the plans of the Columbine shooting a year before it happened. Both kids were mentally unstable and the police failed to act. The family sued the police department for 200 million because the police failed to act. Virginia tech the kid had been posting online about shooting the place up and he was reported but nothing done about it. Sandy hook was avoidable as well. The mother should have been responsible and locker her guns up.

China has more murders per year than the U.S does and that massacre killed 35 people and inured 109 more. that is far more deadly than any shooting in the United States. The largest massacre in the U.S prior to 9/11 was a fucking bomb and the guy bought the stuff to make it from a hardware store.

Yeah they handle mental health terribly. Hes allowed to drive which is nuts. He recently offered a ride to 6 Navajos because he lives on a reservation. They asked him to take them to a bar and after they all climed in the back of his truck he sped off down the highway saying he couldn’t let them get drunk because they would go to hell. He could have gotten 6 people killed and the police wont take him to a mental hospital. This is what the government needs to crack down on not guns.

According to a local cop, they have repeatedly dealt with the man’s misdemeanors against public order.

According to the firearms act, if a person commits more than one misdemeanor against public order in three years, the police are obliged to revoke his gun license, take guns away.

It may be difficult to diagnoze someone with paranoid schizophrenia, but in this case, it was failure of the system that was well set to deal with this kind of dangerous person.

FYI, the situation showed that Czech police are well trained. The local cops who got to the spot within minutes went head on into the shootout, forcing the perpetrator to reatreat and probably preventing further murders on the street. I salute their bravery (they probably didn’t have body armor on them during the initial response) and marksmanship.

One more thing is that this is one of the most armed towns in the country - being home to the largest Czech small arms manufacturer. However in small towns like this and countryside NOTHING - EVER happens, so people don’t carry even if they have the carry license. I would be very surprised if some of the guys killed today would not have a pistol - at home - legally.

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Getting rid of cars would be like trying to bring back alcohol prohibition, its not gonna happen.

The U.S. really does need a stricter process for getting licensed to drive however, its far too easy. From what I have heard Germany has a good system for getting peopled licensed.

On the subject of cars and the mentally unstable this is a really hard thing to control. There are so many different types of mental disorders that all very wildly from one another that properly screening for it would be very hard.

Most security screenings only search known records of mental illness and don’t do a current evaluation; so an individual who was sane 5 years ago may be out of his walnuts now and it would go unnoticed (to the untrained eye). This is how unstable people get guns.

Then there’s the issue of deciding what mental disorders should and should not have these rights, I personally have had to deal with PTSD and as a by product Panic Disorder; I am fine to drive anytime other then when having a Panic attack, in fact if Im feeling particularly anxious I will not get behind the wheel, but these things come on when you least expect it.

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If you haven’t seen the documentary Fed Up I would give it a go its very informative and a good Starting point on the subject.

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the first ten Years of my life was dedicated to recreating everything I saw watching this show, so this is like Man-Child Dreams come true.

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