Third person would be great for Kingdom Come!

[McWonderBeast]

So your just going to ignore me?

[Pengman19]

So what relevance does an exerpt from an article from 2001 for Mafia have with KC:D?

The relevance is simply that Dan appears to be an advocate of Third Person, and that the community caused his knee buckling reaction. His soul is suffering. Can’t you see?!?!

[McWonderBeast]

Dan appears to be an advocate of Third Person,

For a game thats over a decade old and has no direct correlation to the current title or developer, other then Daniel Varvra? wow that’s some compelling confirmation bias.

Daniel Varva the creative director, the person who more then likely had the original vision to make a first person experience in the first place.

I don’t know if you’ve been following the same development everyone else has but Dan does not buckle to the cries and opinions of others.

It’s his unwillingness to compromise his vision that lead to this title not being picked up by mainstream game developers and thusly being funded via Kickstarter.

[Phaidon]

His soul is suffering. Can’t you see?!?!

hehe, I liked this

[SirWarriant]

The pro third person arguments in this thread are so bad, I’m starting to think they’re just trolling at this point.

This statement right here was so stupid it made my jaw drop.

Your posting of an image of what the website “used to look like” is weak sauce as far as an argument. “A Realistic Open World First Person Medieval RPG” is wide open to interpretation, it is not stating “First Person View” just “First Person” which simply means you aren’t in command of tactical units from a top-down perspective, you are role playing.

[Earl_Thorn]

I’m pro TPV, as an option to facilitate things like free-view and panning around.

This ‘option’ in my theoretical world, wouldn’t impact FPV combat, mini-games or other critical game mechanics. And would just be usable during free roaming activities within the game world.

Not overly sure why people would be against that, so what are your objections mate?

[SirWarriant]

I’m pro third person as well, but as you stated earlier people are just beating a dead horse. The arguments two particular pro third person people in this thread have been making are abysmal, and are doing more to harm their cause then help it, like accusing Warhorse of being misleading when it came to TPV, or complaining that they didn’t know KC:D was going to be a FPV only game when they purchased it.

[Earl_Thorn]

Agreed.

like accusing Warhorse of being misleading when it came to TPV, or complaining that they didn’t know KC:D was going to be a FPV only game when they purchased it.

And, yea this sort of stuff is pure rubbish. From day one it’s been abundantly clear what the intentions and direction was for this game. Anyone who says otherwise is either dumb, ignorant, stupid, or a collection of all of the above.

[sgallaty]

I don’t need third person so long as I can look around with VR.

[don_quijote]

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It’s his unwillingness to compromise his vision that led to this title not being picked up by mainstream game developers and thusly being funded via Kickstarter.

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Indeed. And yet not quite… “Unwillingness to compromise” can also have a negative connotation (to exemplify: a certain German dictator was also “unwilling to compromise his vision”).

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And they were surprised they didn’t find a publisher? Let’s remember that originally, there were promises for a three times larger game (only when they did not get the funds, they split the game to three pieces, to make the first one smaller). What release date did they promise for the full games? Maybe the “bad” publishers just had enough experience, and knew that their plans are completely unrealistic?

Doing a game of such scope with such a little team takes a lot of time. But I would expect that the development team would know that too, right? If a team of this size, promises you a game of such scope in such a short time (originally planned for 2015!!!), it just shows their lack of experience and that they don’t know pretty well what they are doing and that they are just winging it. And this is something that does not boost the confidence for the final product.

If the original Kickstarter was for a game that will be released in 2019 (and they asked for a much bigger KS goal), I would believe in the realization/success of this game. But not in the way they are doing this now.

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[Pengman19]

And, yea this sort of stuff is pure rubbish. From day one it’s been abundantly clear what the intentions and direction was for this game. Anyone who says otherwise is either dumb, ignorant, stupid, or a collection of all of the above.

That’s a bit rude. Some people, like myself, have been wanting a realistic, medieval game, for a long, long time. I saw enough material to make a donation. I will say that I had an understanding that, early on in the development, it’s direction was first person. But I also saw a lot of posts from Dan, asking the community about implementing third person. So part of my donation was hope that intelligence would prevail over the whims over a small minority.

I play most games FPV 70%+ of the time. I just like the option to switch to TPV. So I’m not mad I donated.

I’m disappointed in the behavior of people on here who seem to think implementing TPV will somehow impact their SINGLE PLAYER use of FPV. Who gives a fuck if someone else plays on TPV? It boggles my mind.

[Pengman19]

Daniel Varva the creative director, the person who more then likely had the original vision to make a first person experience in the first place.

I don’t know if you’ve been following the same development everyone else has but Dan does not buckle to the cries and opinions of others.

It’s his unwillingness to compromise his vision that lead to this title not being picked up by mainstream game developers and thusly being funded via Kickstarter.

[Deleted Part by Dr.Fusselpulli] (I kid, I kid ), let’s stop and think for a second here.

Dan’s past opinions on game development most definitely have pertinence here. He obviously is an advocate of third person. Why would he create a poll, asking people about implementing TPV, if he wasn’t wanting it implemented himself? If he was deadset on implementing JUST FPV–and since he apparently doesn’t “buckle to the cries and opinions of others”–why would he create that poll? Explain that.

His past responses in interviews and his behavior on these forums makes it pretty clear that he would be completely fine implementing TPV. He even defended the fact that it would not take away time or resources from fully implementing FPV. Why would he make such a confession? Think!

[McWonderBeast]

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Cute. I’m over this debate.

[Pengman19]

Cute. I’m over this debate.

I jest. Sorry you took offense. I was poking fun at your lavishing praise of Dan. That was all. Hasn’t anyone been in a hockey locker room before?!

Anyways, I get where you’re coming from. I know what you’re trying to say. But I think there’s merit to things Dan has said in the past, and his comments on these forums. I think he is an advocate for TPV.

[McWonderBeast]

I was poking fun at your lavishing praise of Dan.

I have never praised especially lavishly, anyone on this development team other then Viktor Bocan.

Before this project I never had never heard the name Daniel Varvra.

Your attempt at fanboy argument has no credence and is a continuation of your irrelevant argument points.

[Pengman19]

I have never praised especially lavishly, anyone on this development team other then Viktor Bocan.

Before this project I never had never heard the name Daniel Varvra.

Your attempt at fanboy argument has no credence and is a continuation of your irrelevant argument points.

Oh, c’mon haha, “buckle to the cries and opinions of others.”… you writing a romance novel?? Just a tad dramatic, don’t you think?

Anyways, fine, I get it, you were sour. I unloaded a commen (in jest!!), but it was mean-spirited. I apologize.

Now, my argument points, in regards to TPV, I think are definitely relevant. How can you disregard the fact that Dan, who was in charge of Mafia, had an opinion of TPV (pro TPV), and you think that him working on KCD, and even making a post polling people’s interest in TPV, has no relevance.

Now you’re just ignoring logic and common sense.

[McWonderBeast]

Its really simple.

He expressed an opinion on TPV in direct realtion to Mafia, not games or game development in general.

Just a tad dramatic, don’t you think?

Perhaps, but it was not lavish nor praise.

Btw your the one who opened the door…

that the community caused his knee buckling reaction.

My word chioce was based directly off your melodramatic representation.

polling people’s interest in TPV

The poll was created becuase of many requests for TPV. The potential to increase thier profit margins and to appease thier investor was the motivation not Dans personal opinion on TPV.

[Phaidon]

I hereby request to close this unproductive topic

[Earl_Thorn]

Maybe my comments were a tad harsh… but at the end of the day, we’re in agreement on this topic.

It’s all about providing an option to players, without impacting the first person elements.

Anyways, I’m with our mighty Emperor @Phaidon on this one, let’s wrap it up coz we’re all getting nowhere fast haha

[Pengman19]

The poll was created becuase of many requests for TPV. The potential to increase thier profit margins and to appease thier investor was the motivation not Dans personal opinion on TPV.

So where did Dan acknowledge this? If you are privy to some knowledge I am not, let’s here it.

Because what I’ve done is grabbed evidence and presented an argument for that. You on the other hand are just unloading conjecture. So if you have some evidence Dan was just trying to “appease their investor” and “increase their profit margins”, then I’m all ears.