To be promoted and become lord

With all due respect, it wasn’t as uncommon as you may be led to believe. If someone was granted, say, a barony - this would often come with the requirement for that barony to provide the crown with a particular number of Knights. This depended upon the size of the barony - small ones may have been able to supply 5 knights, and larger ones twenty. Nobles didn’t generally have enough family members to distribute knighthoods to in that sense, particularly of the fighting quality it required, and often took most of them from their trusted pool of men-at-arms to do the duty. When one died (as they would), they would just go get another one.

Looking back into my own family history, I’ve found quite a few people who have become knights, or their German equivalent (Ritters). One became so during the first crusade, for the valiant feat of spearing an elephant in the eye and killing it. Another became one after the Norman invasion of England, for services rendered against rebels. Another became a Ritter for Brandenburg for distinguished service in the Hussite Wars. Lesser nobility was much more fluid, typically, than upper nobility. When wars happened, Knights died. None of what my ancestors did remotely compares to the feats of Henry in this game, who basically kills half a thousand men (or more) and pretty much singlehandedly disrupts Sigismunds plans in Bohemia. You’re damned right that person would be knighted.

As for yeomans, they were not nobility, lesser or otherwise. They were just wealthy freemen. The lowest noble title in the HRE at this time was “Edler”. They, as far as I recall, got slightly less land than Knights. This type of title was usually gifted to civil servants, or long-serving military men entering retirement.

Fair enough, I don’t have the family history to contend, only what I was taught. Wrt yeoman, yes quite right, I simply don’t have another term for the latter (generally Early Modern) nobility who no one could afford to make landed, lesser sons etc - they are highborn, but I suppose not noble if we’re reserving that for the explicitly landed. In a number of contexts they are treated as equivalent to yeomen in terms of status.

If you are referring to English nobility, the lowest rank would be “gentlemen”. While some of these had land, perhaps equivalent to a yeoman, many of them were unlanded - and this got worse over time. They were usually the sons of nobility that didn’t inherit much, or anything. Often, they ended up going into trades. This was the result of primogeniture - the predominant inheritance of the first born male.

Feudal law in inheritance (and other things) greatly varied from region to region. In England, Knighthood was not a heritable position. In the Holy Roman Empire, it was. Also, in the Holy Roman Empire, Germanic laws were such that younger sons get some inheritance. This caused some difficulty, as Barons (Freiherr in German) had their holdings continuously split between heirs. Eventually, the Freiherr became on par with the status of Ritters (Knights), as they didn’t have much in the way of land to divvy up (though this was ultimately quite late - in the 1600s if I remember correctly). I don’t think there’s really a Germanic equivalent for “gentlemen”, though due to naming conventions people would understand that you were from a noble family.

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Interesting. Though I would have thought the areas continuing the tradition of gavelkind would have substantially more problems giving land away to our Henry, not less.
In any case my specialization begins a century later than KCD, and by then (and, I assumed, significantly beforehand) in many places the aristocracy became more entrenched in their stratification, finding ways to reward even extreme service without allowing the lowborn into their ranks by giving land and the titles that require it.

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Well, in order for Henry to get a title like “Sir” or whatnot, which he’s probably earned by the end of the game, as well as being given land, we kind of need his Idleness, King Wenceslas to be available and then hope he’ll actually show up to do his kingly duties.

SPOILER BELOW, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Of course, with Henry being the bastard son of Radzig, it’s far more likely that he’ll get a title and as a newly acknowledged son of Radzig, what being a minor noble is going to be the focus of the next game or whatever. This game was the perspective of the son of a blacksmith, a commoner and exploring medieval Bohemia. The next one, hopefully, will be about being a minor noble. Acknowledged, probably respected by those who know you personally, but not really taken seriously by higher nobles and seen as barely better by the commoners. An easy mark for assassins, someone who’s word of honor is questioned, causing Henry (and us) to try to balance if we are going to honor our words in agreements, even if it means an outcome we don’t want, kind of how Henry objected to Hanush and Istvan’s negotiations based on honor.

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Well if not a Lord, Can we get more actually cool looking stealth gear, workings hoods and Mask? Stronger weapons and more animals?

Not to sound to much like a cuck, I would like a marriage system and having a child implemented…Opening up a Shop and letting your wife run it, Hiring her a guard, Having a child…Hunting to put food on the table…

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I don’t see any reason we can’t have that. Henry was an apprentice blacksmith after all. Heck, Nightingale in Rattay outright states that the blacksmith in the upper castles was away and his apprentice was running it. I was half expecting on my first playthrough to have the option of Henry utilizing that particular blacksmith’s absence to set up a shop and then be able to craft better gear as Henry got better at being a blacksmith.

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there’s so much that can be implemented within the scope of the current game’s theme, time period, aesthetic, etc. and people are asking for ornamented 16th century armors and weapons. sigh…

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I’m happy with a layered armor system. I’m sure modders can do the ornamentation.

Heck, the Game of thrones mod looks like it’ll be doing that for faction armor.

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Well, the thing is that when nobles battled over inheritance, they would often displace some of the lesser nobility in the region after victory to reward their own men for service. Nobles could, and did, lose their land. To some extent we see this in game - with the “Robber Baron” quest line (and really the entire plot of the game).

Also, higher level nobles didn’t usually award lesser nobility titles to their offspring - it was generally reserved for non-nobles as an entry point into the nobility. Hard to motivate people when they know they’ll never achieve anything. That said, the more time that passed - the more they practiced nepotism. At this point it wasn’t terribly commonplace, however. By the time it got bad, knights were pretty much extinct anyway.

Me too, But I do not wear any armor, Just cloth for my character thief bow assassin

Heretic!
Seize him.

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Fair enough. I play more of a smooth-talking knight Henry…who can read and do alchemy since I need to craft SOMETHING.

I can do some pickpocketing and lockpicking since I was earning grochen early in the game that way, but I haven’t developed it since I started poaching and needing a place to sell the uncooked meat.

Bring out your dead!

SPOILERS AHEAD

Yes, it’s a good question as to what happens with Radzig and his titles. The lore presented about him infers that he becomes a robber baron at some point, so he presumably loses his land. He ends up being torn apart, literally, by Hussite peasant rebels while he’s collecting taxes. It’s unclear as to what kind of inheritance might get, though it’s about 12 or 13 years off at any rate. Also, for any form of inheritance, he would have to be legitimized by Radzig, and not just acknowledged - which hasn’t happened in the game so far.

Will be interesting to see where they go with the story, but yes - I very much would like to play an actual lesser noble and deal with those kinds of issues in an actual historical setting. Radzig is more or less an honorary Count, as he is the Royal Hetman. It’s unclear as to what his title was before that honor, or what lands he owns. Silver Skalice, Skalitz in the game, is owned by the King - and he was just overseeing operations there in the King’s absence.

My Reading is like 17 and my Alchemy is like 6, I steal everything I need. lol

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Yeah, that is a good question. One I’m looking forward to answering.

This game really only takes place during the summer of 1403. It starts on March 23rd (I loved learning Czeck history from the Codex and how we know the day Skalitz burned because of a letter Sigismund wrote and stamped.)

I actually want to do some research on Radzig to see what happened to him during the events between Skalitz burning and his death.

Heck, Henry might actually live long enough to see Vlad the Impaler’s rise to power, he’d probably be Radzig’s age during that time period, but that is something else that Warhorse may be able to explore.

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Hmm, Vlad Tepes came to power in 1448. If we assume Henry is around 18 in 1403, that would put him in his 60s. Probably better for Henry’s son, or even Grandson. But, that would be an interesting campaign for sure.

Right. My bad.

Still, having an elderly Henry as a mentor figure, should he live that long, would be cool.

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