Troll cave II

Nah. If Slavs ever cared about what others thinks or say, we wouldn’t wear socks in sandals.

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Because they are too small economically to be able to field any sizeable force. At the same time, NATO might decide to pull of the NATO planes in case they had their own.

By having NATO planes Russia can’t just attack the Baltics, they always have to attack the NATO air protection there at the same time, be it Czech planes or British, it would never be attack on Estonia only.

It is not about Estonia being capable of taking down a Russian airplane, it is about Russian not having a feasible way of taking down a plane that protects Estonian airspace without pulling all of NATO into it as a matter of fact (and not a matter of response, which may be different than expected as Czechoslovakia learned in 1938 undeclared war by Germany).

Its easier to grow percentage wise when the baseline is shitting in the sand and sleeping in the same room with livestock.

Exactly, it’s literaly to make sure that there will be dead american soldiers if Russia attacks Baltics. Your soldiers are not there to actually defend Baltics from Russia, they are there as a human shield and political token, @SirWarriant.

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As of right now they have no air force which is retarded. They could do better.

I don’t think that’s true. Germany has an army, yet there are U.S troops stationed there. And if the reason is to make sure Russia can’t attack the baltics without shooting down other nations aircraft, then it would make zero sense to remove other NATO aircraft just because they get a few of their own.

No they dont . simply blockade the bases , dont engage the NATO forces . NATO would be very hesitant on actually engaging russian forces outside of they own native airspace .( e.g british jets shooting down a russian jet over Estonia)

war with NATO of course would come but the russians if they carried it out would look to put that off for as long as possible so they could prepare as well . it would likely look like the situation of Crimea for the first few days in terms of russian forces standing outside NATO bases as politicians actually start to realise they actually have to do what they agreed to do and go to war with russia .

the NATO forces in eastern Europe are just a big bluff to put it bluntly . they are not there to engage in any sort of defence , they are simply there almost ceremonially.
i can say with quite alot of confidence NATO has 0 plan to ever actually defend eastern Europe nor do we have any real capability to do so before the russians could secure the vast majority of it .

this is what nations in eastern europe need to realise NATO would not come to their rescue swiftly in the real world , there would be huge hesitation and huge preparation before a single US, British , french or german division moved anywhere close to engaging the russians .

my personal opinion is the day NATO is actually needed is the day it will die . i can see the majority of its members not holding to the deal .

its like the classic situation of a group of men all big and mighty talking about tackling the gunman together then when it happens they are running out of the back door with everyone else to scared to make a stand :smile:

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the EU is to big and fucking slow its terrible for bussiness takes them 10 years to ever fucking agree a thing

I sincerely hope you’re wrong. But to be honest I don’t think you are, we’ve become a bunch of pussies. The only way i could see us jumping in is if by some miracle the eastern euros were actually giving Russia a tough fight.

This one’s good :slight_smile:

But truth to be told, I wish you success from deep of my heart.

If you can make it, we can have 2003 style economic Union back in 2025 instead of this Lisbon Treaty political union.

HA ! You’ll be a federal state within 10 years if the union has not collapsed altogether. The people in that place want nothing but power .

That is so stupid in so many ways…

lid up a fire in a closed car will cause a lot of CO2, don´t secure it, so it will fall over in the next curve, and having paper and stuff all over so that the fire will spread and burn down your car faster. Not that is would make a big difference.
And in the end, the way this two idiots “talk” is very fittig to their heating solution…

For that a change in treaties would be needed. Not gonna happen.

Interesting to see this when I have my car in the service right not due to non functioning heating.

Original replacement for heater valve is € 700 so I hope that the serviceman will come with a cheaper solution that doesn’t involve open fire on the back seat.

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Ohh I’m sure it will . People used to say it would never become a political union and it was only to do with trade …look at it now

Yeah, things were looking good at time when Lisbon was signed.

Now PIIGS are still fucked (apart from Ireland) 7 years after the crash.

Millions third world immigrants crashed in.

Security in parts of Europe where decade ago they did not know what word “crime” means became absolutely appalling - and it is only set to get worse in next couple of years notwithstanding whether it is addressed head on or not.

Not to mention the free reign for terrorists and secret service memos saying that there are THOUSANDS active jihadists in Europe who just don’t have the proper conditions (car/gun/money/whatever) to proceed as of right now.

Even small countries now started fighting Commission openly instead of backing down (Hungary and Slovakia on immigration quotas, Czech Republic on firearms).

Switzerland is poised to have referendum on leaving Schengen if the Firearms Directive is amended as intended (and as Swiss say, guns are “Heilige Kuhe”, or “Holy Cow” for them).

A lot would have to change before anyone can raise words “ever closer union” again without being thrown out of the window.

(The need for military cooperation in EU will decline as Trump forces NATO to start doing its job and NATO countries to start taking part in it/// last but not least Sweden now flirting with NATO membership instead of trying to get security assurances through EU).

@SirWarriant up to his old tricks again

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Looks like the new chief of Homeland Security knows what’s good.

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