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#3749

I have a hard time believe anything else your article says after it implies Adam Lanza was able to legally purchase fire arms as a mentally ill person. He murdered his mother and then stole her fire arms for the shooting.

These lists have affected innocent people in the past, including many veterans who are told they are simply unable to own a gun, because of some list they have never heard of. It’s the same reason many people oppose banning guns for people on the no fly list. The list has several U.S senators on, and even children, proving them to be very inaccurate.

From your article.

“The National Rifle Association, gun advocates, and civil rights advocates, including the ACLU, argued that the rule would strip Second Amendment rights from beneficiaries without due process.”

This seems reasonable in my book.

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#3750

Maybe I missunderstand you. What is your point?

If you can´t manage your own finances it should not automatically lead to the position that you can´t own a gun. This has nothing to do which each other. But why would you lose the right to manage your own money in the first place. It was surely not age but some mental disorder.

#3751

Thats not my point at all. I don´t care about Adam Lanza or his special case. My point is that mentally ill people should not have firearms, and that there should be a background check for people if they want to own a firearm.

So you say we should get rid of this list completely and give everyone a firearm nevertheless who they are?
If you say the lists are inaccurate and we should work on this issue, fine.
Then the guy above who was going into the police station with a firearm did nothing wrong, totally sane behaviour.

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#3752

No one is saying mentally ill people should own fire arms. People are saying there shouldn’t be this magical list that can you strip you of your rights with no due process. The U.S already has background checks when it comes to purchasing firearms.

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying… Do you even read what I’m typing?

No lists like that should not exist in the first place. You claim to be a libertarian yet you seem completely cool with the government stripping people of constitutional rights, with no due process and no warning or way to protest it. How is that any different than say the Patriot act? Something you have criticized the Bush administration for passing.

No evidence he was mentally ill. People are just stupid, and when the media and groups like black lives matter make violence against police seem acceptable, you get situations like that.

If the left in the U.S were so concerned with gun violence you would think they would start by tackling the cities they run, like Chicago where you are more likely to be killed as a civilian there, than a solider serving in Afghanistan at the height of the conflict.

#3753

And how would you prevent people from getting fire arms? What is your solution?

I don´t care if it is a right or left wing policy, it should solve the issue. If this system don´t work, yes, criticize it.

#3754

We already have background checks, and that is enough for me. The mental health system in the U.S is fundamentally flawed, and needs fixed, but stricter gun legislation will not solve that problem.

Oh please, you made this conversation left vs right with your first statement.

“Why do the Republicans want to give guns to mentally insane people”

There are very legitimate reasons for wanting this law repealed, it has nothing to do with the right wanting people who are crazy to own guns.

#3755

There is a subtle difference between “nothing wrong” and “nothing illegal”.

As if there was no way other than decision making based on trumped up lists.

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#3756

It’s quite easy . If you have a medically diagnosed mental disorder which is on record you shouldn’t be allowed a firearm . A basic medical background check would pick this up which I hope and assume are carried out when you purchase a firearm in the US .

I don’t see the need for these "magical lists " it’s pretty fucking basic .

#3757

I disagree about it being easy. What if someone in the past suffered from PTSD, or depression? Why should they be prevented from owning a fire arm?

So you agree with law being repealed then?

#3758

In cases such as these . It should be down to the individuals doctor .

For example , at the age of 5 I had epilepsy for a year before luckily being given the all clear . However at 17 when I applied for a driving license I had to have my doctor sign me off to say i was fit to drive , took a 10 minute doctors trip to get a signature

#3759

I would agree with it being amended yes

#3760

Agreed.

You seriously don’t get to drive till you’re 17 over there ?

#3761

I’ll send you a strobe light for your Birthday. :wink:

#3762

Nope . Although I didn’t actually get my proper license until I was 18 .

But at 17 you can get a "provisional " driving license which you need to start learning officially to drive . Then when you pass you get your proper one .

I’d rather wait an extra year to drive than an extra 3 to drink :wink:

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#3763

Here you can start driving with a parent at 15, license at 16. Although in some states you’re allowed to drive as young as 14. :sunglasses:

Pretty much no one waits. Besides drinking underage is a ticket, driving without a license is a ten year suspension in some cases. :wink:

No wonder you guys all drink so heavily, no guns, no driving. Fuck all to do. :smile:

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#3764

That was one of the perks of having motorbike license at 15.

Nobody at pubs ever checked that it is just for “small” motorbike :slight_smile:

€ 2.000 and good bye license here

EDIT: I misread. Drinking underage here is socially acceptable (though the pub owner might have a problem that one time in a decade when cops decide to check underage drinking.

First time order not to repeat
Second time 300 hours community service
Third time eating sperm in jail

#3765

Yes you can get a 125 cc here at 16 I believe .

#3766

Jesus Christ we just stick with the old school porridge :wink:

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#3767

I think DUI penalties are quite harsh here as well. But that dosn’t stop anyone from doing it. The amount of times my Father has driven me around completely shit faced, it’s amazing I’m still alive. :smile:

I’m not sure if you could ever get jail time over it here. My older brothers friend was caught driving his drunk uncle all over town at ten, and he wasn’t able to get his permit till he was 20.

My great grandma was a nurse and always told me horror stories about motorcycle crashes when ever i mentioned i wouldn’t mind having one, it was pretty affective in discouraging me. :smile:

#3768
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