thank you for clarification.
Much appreciated!
wouldnt work in this country either ! a very large portion in the country side have guns . Although saying that most people dont answer the door with a firearm either ⊠so i imagine it would work until word got out what was happening
There is a certain difference between having guns locked in safe and being able to have them accessible.
Also a subtle difference between prevalent over-under shotguns and prevalent semi-autos.
1 Like
i think i can say with a great deal of certainty if this started to happen guns would not be in safes . as for before news broke out the vast majority of people even in the US dont answer the door with a loaded firearm .
im going to assume you do but lets be honest âŠi mean this in the most polite of manors âŠyouâre a bit odd 
as for the type of weapon. whether a shot gun is semi or under over makes no odds point blank range you have as much chance as you would with any other weapon its a simple matter of who pulls the trigger first . thats assuming local farmers didnt go out and hunt the killers down and engage from long range with rifles but i doubt it would be needed armed police/military would still show up fairly quickly these days .
realistically however most people would barricade themselves indoors if they have a firearm they would have it loaded and ready and praying for the best .
I know many people who have guns in every room of the house, including near the door in the entry way. And over here we generally answer the door by looking through the peep hole first.
Really? So someone with a military style Assault rifle doesnât have a better chance at fighting off similarly armed attackers, then someone with a double barrel shotgun? That seems contrary to your whole âunless you have an semi auto, donât bother trying to defend your selfâ mantra.
Heâs defiantly grown on me since he fucked off back to Britain. 
you have peep holes on the front of a regular house door !? to be fair i normally peek through a window too .
certainly not answering the door to Ahmed with an AK47 .
Of course, those are standard over here on almost every home/apartment ive been in, and you cannot tell if someone is looking through the other end if youâre on the outside. And if i saw two fuck wads in ISIS garb, with aks out side my home i would give zero indication i was there, and would call the police and barricade my self with a loaded fire arm.
if we are talking point blank range no not really unless of course you missed with the shotgun . in which case âŠwell ive always believed in natural selection .
you could be the best shot in the world spent 30 years in the military and have a fully kitted out M4 kick down a door and someone is on the other end with an under over or side by side shotgun and chances are you will lose unless the guy cant shoot for shit .
Yes but, what if there is two? And i think most people in that situation could actually miss, by panicking and shooting wildly. And in that case i would much rather have an AR, with 15 round magazine, than a shotgun.
And if itâs a double barrel then your chances are even lower, than if it were a pump. Plus ISIS does seem to get itâs hand on body armour easily, so the shotgun would do little other than knock them on their ass.
standard on apartments here yes but not houses . although i have a porch then my actual front door which most here have . not all however .
plus our houses are made of actual brick so you have alot more added protect in such an event to barricade the door without being seen and bedding down
i would of course prefer a semi auto rifle yes . but in reality its simply who shoots first .
if there is two personally id fire and run try and reload and hope for the best . but yes you would stand more chance in country with more relaxed gun laws no disputing it .
this would buy you more time than you think getting shot through body armour fucking hurts.
most farmers do own more than just shotguns however and normally a few more than one so id say most firearm owners in this country would stand a good enough chance if they barricaded themselves in laid out some loaded weapons and waited it out
in that case you would certainly miss with a rifle and youd be dead whatever weapon you had
Read up on western gun fights, even at ranges of 10 or so feet the gun fire was wild and all over the place usually. You were trained to handle these situations, and were in them if Iâm not mistaken. A farmer with no training or combat experience( who is in no way expecting two killers at his door), would likely wildly fire without aiming and dive for cover.
The rifle has the rate of fire and large magazine capacity advantage over any shotgun available in the U.K.
Lot of houses here have brick or rock over drywall on the front of their houses. And would you really even need to barricade honestly. As soon as they managed to get the door open they then have to run into the doorway where you can pick em off.
What about his buddy though whatâs stopping him from greasing you.
Which, in your country, means gun confiscations for the poor folk the moment authorities conduct safe storage inspection.
Only in the night. Otherwise five steps away.[quote=âTheDivineInfidel, post:4876, topic:27880â]
you have peep holes on the front of a regular house door
[/quote]
Thatâs standard here.
To be fair he would most probably have CC knife and just stab you in the neck once you open.
Which means I would not really have a chance to defend even with gun behind the belt, but at least I could take him to hell with me. Which is good enough given that there would be possible other victims further inside the house.
I donât disagree but if you canât hit someone point blank with a shot gun you certainly canât do it with anything else .
If youâve never been trained to deal with such a situation you would be much better off with a pump action shotgun than a rifle .
Point blank as in theyâre on his porch and heâs in the doorway? If itâs that range than yeah, Iâll concede even a brain dead moron couldnât miss a man at that range. But I think any sane person would not try to engage them, and would sit as far back as possible and wait for them to enter before firing on them.[quote=âTheDivineInfidel, post:4886, topic:27880â]
If youâve never been trained to deal with such a situation you would be much better off with a pump action shotgun than a rifle .
[/quote]
Ar has a higher rate of fire, would allow you to hit them if they were behind light cover, has a higher ammo capicty, and is easier to reload. Literally the only advantage a pump would bring is the fact that they would be easier to shoot the attacker.
And theyâre probably a decent shot if they own a fire arm to begin with, and if they arenât an AR is more forgiving with a miss than a pump with 8 shells in it. And since double barrels seem popular in the U.K. Youâre fucked if you miss even once with one of those.
I think we can all agree the best weapon to have in this situation would be a bolt action rifle.
2 Likes