Sorry to start another thread on this but I just wanted a clean thread with a different perspective of including women in the game later down the road.
I really hope this will help everyone including the developer to see that the reasons too not have women in the game is just all bias. I read that to include women in the game would require a different story approach and require new actors and so on. Fallout 4 has the perspective of being female and male written into the story as well as Dishonored 2 coming out. So I do hope that everyone view can be changed and not say things like its not historically accurate, take too long for the animations, its a mans world there should not be any women.
If it really cost more to include women character perhaps later improvements could have then? But I just hope all this talk that women should not be in a guys historical game can be finally put to rest.
So thank you if you all have found this to has be insightful because hey don’t we all agree that if look through the game we could point out many things that are fiction? Even though the game wants to be an accurate representation of History? Yes there weren’t women signing up to take up sword fighting at the time but as i said they are other things you can spot out that just is fiction anyway. The game cannot be totally 100% accurate to real life or it be very boring. So there would be many things in the game that is fictional to give it excitement so player will keep playing it.
Was the game made because it wants to be a accurate simulation of English history at a specific time? Be like an educational historical software? Perhaps then it will be a good reason to leave out women as warriors. But the game is played not so players can learn English History but to enjoy what it is like to be in medieval times. Why do women have to be excluded from this enjoyment?
After all aren’t you partnering with star citizen and sharing knowledge? Star citizen have mentioned about your game in their articles because of your AI? So why not get along with them to also make it possible to allow women in your game?
Having Women does not mean that English history cannot be learnt and that players immersion will get ruined because they see women running around in armor and swords. It will just mean more sales and higher funding because you have attracted a huge slice of players that has been previously forgotten.
There are new modern FPS games coming out and writing off women players because it does not fit the history and it just will take too much time to do and so they want too concentrate on other things for the game. I think Ghost recon wildland will be one of the FPS game that will have the choice of a women pat agonist. There is also no hardcore medieval game that include women that is like Kingdom come. There is Life is Feudal but its different even though its hard core.
Perhaps someone need to show all the FPS developer having women brings lots of benefits to the game and it will be a success. There are already women in other popular modern games that is not just about fantasy and sci fi. And perhaps someone can do something different and show it can work and that guys and girls can share in the enjoyment. Then perhaps other FPS developer will follow and include women in their games just like how dishourned 2. If others can see how much success and benefits it can bring the bias understanding that women are not accurate can finally be forgotten.
Its unbelievable how many FPS developers have used the statement that its unrealistic for women to be in historical battle games. I hope Kingdom come can be different and prove to these other developer it does not have to be that way.
Why not think of women as a good feature to improve the game?
Because many years ago hardcore realism was also seen as dumb for games but there were developer who decided to prove everyone wrong. And well it was seen as very popular and players really enjoyed this type of game style and then other developer decided to do the same! Its only why Kingdom come has arrive because of the advancement of technology and what other games could do.
Have seen the farming simulator? Many years ago if it was suggested in a forum like this fans will have push it off, mock the Op and tell them to go to a real farm! Its like what is happening now with wanting women in the game. it just mocked, no sees any benefit and that guy rules and dictate what should be in the game. But today there are many wanting to play games like the farming simulator even though it looks so boring! These types of games will not have happen if developer did not decided to test the theory and just do something different and new!
So don’t see women as its not historical or that women just are not strong enough, see women as a feature that can improve and bring many different things to the game. It can still be hardcore realism having women in the game and women can bring a whole new level of skills to the game that wasn’t there in the first place. So guys really are missing out on the fun of what it is like to play with a hardcore FPS women player. Players already know what its like fighting with guys in the trenches so why not have something different and let women come in and see how that will change the tactical battle on the ground?
Have you all forgotten the wives of King Henry IV?
They were not innocent submissive wives! They fought the King on certain issues and even won battles when the King failed! They were just as bloody and cruel as the King himself! Do you not know who Bloody Marry was? Look at the bloodshed and torture she spilled? They were very aggressive during those medival time. Actually everyone was!
Everyone had this fascination with death and torture! It was the culture at the time! Just like the Romans and their crosses and their bloody Colosseum. People wanted to see death and blood it was the entertainment at the time! Women were just as violent at the time even though they were not seen in the battlefields.
Just watching the videos on the game does not portray that the history is violent and bloody! If you want accurate history then chopping heads and hanging people need to also be included because this is as common as watching a video today in your homes. This is normality during these time and this is what you will see when you enter town. People would gather to watch these things! As i said its like watching action movies at home today! This is the same kind of entertainment that everyone went after during these times. The Saying is why people were so violent at the time?
They were violent so we could be more civilize however our violence has only just shifted cause we only have change how we see what is violent.
So to be Historically accurate you need to included these common violent entertainments in the game and not having it removes an important event of English history.
Do you still fantasy over medieval life just reading these things? I was in shocked and why I no longer want to play the game even if it has playable women characters. It reminds of the horrors of what you will face if you grew up during those times!
That is what happens when you want to try and recreate the History of the English Period as close as possible! It be no different to playing a game full of horror zombies aim for psychological fear! It really was like that during the medival time, it was not sweet, it was not innocent, there were no fantasy meadow to live your dream! it was a horror hardcore fear period.
Will the developer now change the atmosphere of the game?
So will the developer now change the atmospheric scene of the game because they too know it was very dark & violent? The game should make you very moody and depressed and give you a feeling of lost and death every where you go. I know its not something you want in the game but if you insist that the game be true to history then this is how the game should be experience. They are real horror games out there so I am not sure if the developer want to take it this far just so it is historically accurate.
But I am trying to help everyone see that having it always Historically accurate is not a good things for an enjoyable experience. It certainly is not a good thing for a medieval historical game unless it was meant to put fear and death to players. So the developer will have to leave out very important event and features from history just so the game is playable. Cause again i don’t think the backers wanted a game filled with torture and death and see that as a common primary thing players need to experience in the game!
So again I hope this will give some perspective that having women in Historical games is not such a far cry from reality compare too far more important things mention above that has been left out.
So I hope user will stop using the argument that it is not realistic because all hardcore medieval games are already unrealistic in many ways. Just reading the real records of History will show how much fiction there already is in these types of games.
Are women too hard to Animate?
Good Article to read
Adding female lead characters doubles the art budget
This is only true if the art budget is predicated on having one character, who is a man. In most other circumstances it would not magically cost more to make some of the characters female. It does not take more time to design and write a female character. Female actors do not cost more to employ. If you’re doing unique performance capture for, say, four different male characters, it would not cost more to do unique performance capture for three male characters and a female character. Or even two of each! Bear in mind, too, that the budget for characters is only a fraction of a whole art budget for a game.
Women don’t play RPGs/action adventures anyway so what does it matter?
This just straight-up isn’t true any more. Look at me, look at my colleagues, look at Twitter, look at the audience of major games websites, look at the many, many pieces of research that show that women are 50% of the gaming audience in total and more than 20% of even the most traditionally male-dominated genres, look at Bioware and the Mass Effect series, look at the ever-increasing number of people who read and share articles like Brenna’s, and tell me women don’t care about video games, or that female characters don’t matter to them (and plenty of men, too).
But it’s not realistic to have all these powerful women
OK. So it is realistic for, say, Cole MacGrath to run around shooting lighting bolts out of his hands, but if he were a woman that would be preposterous? Here’s what’s actually unrealistic: fiction in which more than half of the population of Earth simply isn’t present, or is only present in the background, as passive entities. That makes no sense.