Not giving you an advice and not a pure sports fighter. Pfff, these HMB bookworms…
Meyer uses thrusts for his “weapons” - Polearms, dagger, rappier (sidesword), and the ‘basic trainer’ for sword - Dussack. He doesn’t encourage the use of the thrust for his federised longswords, but they are sporting ‘tools’ at this point. He does use a plunge cut in several places even for longsword (and the thrust is only a ‘plunge cut’ which hits with both edges), and threatens with the point to force a disengage at others…
He also states quite clearly you don’t thrust “Germans”, but foreigners (in his case “Italians”) are fair game.
This is because the target is predominantly the head, murder of your countrymen is illegal, and head/face protections for the school setting and ‘blossefechten’ are not a thing. No one would thrust the face in these circumstances. A very flexible ‘unedged’ sword can quite safely (although not by our standards) be used for cuts and strikes with the flat to the head. As can the leather Dussack. The other weapons are for war, or ‘for real’ self defence, and the training reflects that, though may only use thrusts in earnest vs a ‘wall’ target, rather than your opponent.
If you look to Leckuchner, roughly 3 quarters of his plays end with the point to the face, upper chest or throat. Some are thrusts, others are ‘displacements’ which require an aggressor to impale themselves to come at you. More suited to bar-room brawls, than the ‘noble arts’ which longsword was roughly 100 years later, but not very dissimilar to the Rappier.
I was just trolling. I am of the mindset that Meyer was not just a sport fighter. I also believe he did intend for students to train thrusts with the longsword but uses a systematic approach with the other weapons in later parts of his book to implement it.
I have read quite a bit of Roger Norling’s articles over on HROARR and find his info pretty convincing regarding Meyer. I will say that after reading a few of the manuals on German longsword that I prefer the older traditional stuff but see Meyer as a great resource to really understanding the theory of earlier KDF works.
Btw yes I have avatar with Meyers picture, however hes not my favourite one. I dont like his idea of zufechten (at least I believe its his) as it (in my understanding) is in direct contradiction with idea of hiding moves as long as possible. Btw one of favourite is hs3227 so called codex wallerstein. But there are very simple pictures…
Meyers system is not 100% Leichtenauer, its more like 75% Lietchenauer mixed with Marozzo dagger and sidesword and a few other influences.
Here are a few articles on Meyer’s system from Roger Norling.
Meyer’s masters:
https://hroarr.com/article/meyers-masters/
Bolognese influence on German Rappier/sidesword:
https://hroarr.com/article/meyerozzo-the-influences-of-the-bolognese-method-in-german-rappier/
Marozzo and Meyer dagger comparison:
https://hroarr.com/article/meyer-and-marozzo-dagger-comparison/
History of Joachim Meyer’s treatise to Otto Von Solms.
https://hroarr.com/article/the-history-of-joachim-meyers-treatise-to-von-solms/
Norling goes into why Meyer did not include thrusts in his Longsword instruction then goes over why people should still incorporate thrusts.
https://hroarr.com/article/doing-what-we-are-told-or-what-we-are-taught/
Overall, I find Meyer to be very interesting and a great source for understanding earlier KDF masters.
I would love to learn gilma
I’m a early XV century reenactor, I mainly study on Flos Duellatorum but recently i’m studying i33 and talhoffer
I practice every day with my short sword, until it sprays some kind of liquid, them i’m done for the day
What system?
In my country is called “punheta”, you can search for it in the internet for more information.
I tried…a bunch of porn sites popped up.
Interesting combo, what makes you go with these?
Ummmm… ive never heard someone say hs3227 and codex wallerstein are the same manual?
Isnt Wallerstein more related to Ps-Gladitoria and HS3227 (Dobringer) early Liechtenauer? I mean both are German but their not even tied to the same tradition, right?
I’m interested in the Scandinavian martial art of Glima. Looks that up if you haven’t heard. The ancient Greeks also had an art called Pankration. I have been practicing drills with a Cold Steel gladius, it’s good exercise. Would like to learn from the medieval manuals though. Concepts like ‘half-swording’ & the like are interesting techniques…
Bump… I have switched my attention to Joachim Meyer’s work.
Im really into gilma but cant find any manuals
And have u realized that stuff is for rich people i bet you could ve already had a horse spending money like that!
Hurstic whats that?
They are recreating Viking martial Arts. Its not really my thing but people speak pretty positively of them in general. They have books, articles, DVDs , & videos available.