Anyone else alittle paranoid of knife attacks?

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#425

Are you really trying to use Romeo and Juliet as a gun argument loooooooooooooool. If you knew the story you would know they both agreed to a duel it wasn’t a random mugging/ or attack. Again trying to paint all gun owners as murderers. There is tons of violent crime stopped with a gun and no body is killed. Do you really think everyone who owns a gun just wants to kill people? No of course not if you pull a gun on your attacker a lot of them time it can stop the assault with no one being killed. I would only kill someone if i had no other choice. If someone attacks you with nothing but their bare hands you don’t really need to shoot them but pulling a gun can make them back off and you can hold them till police arrive. If someone attacks you with a weapon that’s a different story they clearly want you dead then and you should do what you need to survive. As to your friend who was beaten up what if they beat him to death which they easily could have? If he had a concealed weapon he could have forced them to back off and he wouldn’t have been hospitalized for two months. Saying oh i know someone who was beat and survived and didn’t have a gun on him. Yeah but do you really want to gamble with your life and hope they don’t go to far and kill you?


According to this 95% of crimes in which the defender pulls a gun are non lethal. The defender only has to brandish his weapon to stop the crime. An average of 2.5 million people use a gun to stop violent crime with 95% of it being non lethal. Take away guns and you have 2.5 million more violent crimes committed each year in the United States.

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#426

Considering that Romeo and Juliet is widely considered to be a satirical script ruins any ability it has to be used in a serious argument but, for the sake of said argument, let’s actually use the material.

The reason the majority of the cast is hostile to each other is due to a standing feud between the families. What started as a petty rivalry evolved into the conflict that we all know and love. But you say if these two had just put away their “firearms” and then done what? Hugged it out? Stare at each other for an hour spouting insults about each other’s mothers till one got bored and walked away? But it’s worse than that because these two weren’t fighting about some harebrained feud, they were fighting about Romeo.

Mercutio wasn’t a relative of Romeo, he was just his good friend. It wasn’t out of duty or hatred that he fought Tybalt, it was out of outrage and honor. Romeo was too cowardly to stand and fight Tybalt after the man had openly declared his desire to duel the young Montague. Of course Romeo uses the “kinsman” argument stating that Tybalt is Juliet’s cousin and therefore is kin as well.

Mercutio gets reasonably annoyed with his friend’s cowardly attitude and accepts Tybalt’s challenge in Romeo’s place. After all, Tybalt is challenging Romeo’s status as a man because of his relations with Juliet. Romeo then tries to stop Mercutio and in the process gets his friend stabbed to death by the man Romeo would not fight (Tybalt). So it’s not Mercutio’s fault that Romeo and Juliet died (though they deserved it) nor was it Tybalt’s fault. It was Romeo’s fault he died, his fault Juliet kills herself.

Had he let Mercutio fight Tybalt, Mercutio might have won the duel, thereby eliminating much of the conflict. Mercutio is written as a rather capable lad, afterall. Or Romeo could’ve manned up and fought Tybalt himself, thus maintaining his honor and keeping his buddy out of harms way. Or he and Mercutio could’ve ganked Tybalt in the streets and stabbed him before he knew what was happening. There are several ways for this to go yet Romeo’s actions lead to his own demise. And honestly, he deserved the end he got simply due to his own shortcomings as a heroic figure or even a good man. And all of this could’ve been avoided had he decided to keep his dagger in his pants. Oh no, it wasn’t the swords. It was Romeo’s dumbass that killed the beast.

It’s a ridiculous story but the take away is simple: Dame’s get you into trouble.
And my point is that there was no friendly resolution and anybody who thinks otherwise lacks commonsense or an understanding of human nature.

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#427

Fine, that is your right to choose to be crippled or killed by some deranged thug. I’ve been on ground being kicked in the head by a bunch of gypsies only for being white, and I assure you, it is nothing nice. (I didn’t have the capability to defend myself then.)

So he could have as easily ended up dead. Your argument is basically “guns are bad. If anything bad happens to you, it is still better then using a gun to avoid it.” Good for you. But please don’t feed it to me, I don’t like the taste.

Also, if he ended up seriously injured, I guess he was not much of the help to the person attacked, was he? There is about 95% chance that all I would need to do to help him is shout out loud and show my gun. If that would not work, then there would be about 99% chance that giving a warning shot would wake them up and make the attackers run for their lifes. It seems that the attacked person would be much safer with me around, then your suicidal friend.

I don’t walk around frightened. I only realise that there is a possibility of random violence on the street, that this random violence happens daily - more often in Silesia where I come from, less often in Prague where I live. And I refuse to be a victim. That is all.

Why do you always equate gun=killing? There are 200.000 law abiding firearm carrying citizens, and there is no mayhem on the streets, quite on the contrary. All you have to do in most situations is show your gun to an attacker. And you will be most probably safe, without having to spend 2 months in a hospital like your friend. Isn’t that the better outcome?

Wow, just wow. Learn a bit about Socialist Czechoslovakia and the way criminality was handled. The fact that newspapers were forbidden to write about it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist. 25 years since the fall of Communism and still, the largest mass murder happened during communism, so did the most henious (which was not reported at all and thus most parents probably didn’t even find out that their babies were murdered and didn’t just die in a hospital).

Eh? Is someone forcing you? Someone holding a gun to your head there by the computer?

How does my gun limit your liberties? Have you ever felt limited because there are 200.000 law abiding gun carrying citizens?

Nobody is forcing you. Most probably, nobody ever will.

Read the statistics, especially from US. They were linked by our American friends here several times, and they do prove that armed society is polite society, unlike in places like Detroit or Chicago, where carrying guns is forbidden,

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#428

indeed you wouldnt walk around with a 50 cal but places like new york are high rise apartments what if he was to go to the roof of his apartment and set it up and pick people off imagaine the panic that would cause of course police would find him quick . but what if he went mobile kept moving etc . eventually he would be killed but he may be able to shoot down a police heli with the rifle . he could cause carnage

no , al queada favoured bombs . you must understand this al queada is not THE terrorist group anymore its ISIS and ISIS favour as they have said for young men to stay in their country and carry out a lone wolf strikes a simple attack that can be carried out with no planning . e.g the attack on canada .
they wish to create fear where you dont feel safe on the streets so attacks are constant rather than one large bomb attack every 5 years .
al queada is no more bomb attacks are not the favoured attack on the west anymore

#429

There are many reasons for this and gun ownership is definitely NOT one of them. IMHO.

#430

if your intention when buying a gun is to kill then you should not be allowed a firearm . and thats the problem killing should ALWAYS be a last resort .
gun ownership would be fine if the world wasnt filled with a load of trigger happy toss pots who would use it over something as simple as a fist fight .
man up and use your hands to defend yourself . if the bloke has a knife , call the police thats what we pay our taxes for . and if your government is corrupt dont vote them in . you have the choice who govens you , its the right provided to you by millions who died for it , so stop bitching and use it

#431

i completely agree . id love to own my own guns but it would be ruined by a few , if everyone played by the rules it would be fine

#432

That is actually a very good quote. Due to modern medicine, fatalities caused by firearms is actually very low, especially in cases of low caliber rounds. As an example, a guy in my buddy’s infantry unit got hit in the lower back with a 7.62mm round and is still fine. It missed his spine so there was very little permanent damage but had he been shot in any other time period before now, his chances would have been pretty slim.

Hell, every single soldier in the US (and other countries, I’m assuming) Army is trained to treat chest wounds to a degree that the wounded individual can forgo actual medical treatment for several hours. This, in turn, gives the wounded soldier a chance to get extracted and treated in a legitimate medical facility, saving an otherwise dead man. And I’m not just talking about rib-ricochet, a round can penetrate a lung and there’s still a field treatment for that. As long as there’s some plastic (Candy wrappers, even) and tape, a lung wound can be stabilized.

Guns don’t kill, bullets don’t kill either, it’s the lack of medical attention that kills your ass.

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#433

that attitude has cost many many lives .
to many young soldiers have this attitude due to most deaths in Afghanistan coming from IED’s .
bullets kill , some people get lucky like the guy you mentioned because the round passed through without hitting much .

a well placed round will kill ,

#434

what attitude? it’s not an attitude, it’s just stating facts and their real world implications. he’s not advocating people go around and try to get hit by bullets.

#435

Perhaps you missed my point.

Yeah, IEDs will kill you or at least maim you significantly. Nobody’s arguing that. I’m arguing that a chest wound is a survivable injury if the individual can get medical treatment in time. I’ve deployed with a support unit before, ever sit next to three medics (2 were senior NCOs) on a 18 hour flight? You learn a lot.

A well placed round is either to the head (just under the eye or a quarter of an inch above the temple) or the heart (but only if you hit it at the right angle). Everything else is not the fabled instant-kill that Hollywood loves to portray gun wounds as. You will likely die if you are shot in many places but there’s always a window of survivability.

Most people are terrified of bullets, I don’t know what attitude you’re talking about.

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#436

the attitude im talking about is the one you have , yes you’re right most gun shot wounds are treatable if treat by a specialist team in under an hour but the military is now filled with this attitude of "ohh its only a gun shot wound " .
they can be very very deceiving in their severity .
a particular solider comes to mind here .
during a heavy firefight he was hit in the chest area . bullet crept through a gap in his body armour .
he seemed fine , he was treated with morphine and was talking , joking everyone was having a giggle about , only a gun shot wound right .
he was medivaced out back to camp bastion with the view he would be back on his feet by weeks end . however he suddenly took a turn for the worst and died in hospital in camp bastion , in one of the worlds most sophisticated hospitals.

#437

OK, I understand if someone is anti-gun and decides not to have one for defence while fully acknowledging the fact that he is defenceless. But if you really think that you can fight a knife bare-handed, or that

if a thug pulls a knife on you that you will have enough time to pick up your phone, unlock it, dial emergency, wait for them to answer, describe them your situation, describe them your exact whereabouts (or perhaps look around for street-signs, because lets be honest, how many of us keep exact knowledge of where we are at all the times), and then hold on the line until they come

… how long did it take you to read the italics? Please count yourself stabbed once for each word. OK, I will count 10 stabs off for the initial attempt at defence, before the knife crippled your hands. Just for head-ups, during the last serious school-stabbing incident in my country, the victim was stabbed exactly 1 time - and died.

It is clear that you have never had to deal with a situation where you or your loved ones were in serious danger from some bad folks. I am happy for you and I wish you that you never will. Good luck to you, I respect your opinion, and I respect anyone’s decision to be defenceless. Please be so kind and respect my right to effectively defend myself too.

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#438

i completely respect your view .

you are also gambling on whether the person is prepared to use the knife in the first place . most are not .
you will find that when presented with a true life or death experience your body is capable of great things .

by simply grabbing the guys wrist the moment you see the knife stands you in better chance of surviving as if you were to pull out a gun . hence why police are taught not too pull their side arm in a close combat knife situation because by the time you have grabbed your side arm you will have been stabbed . it is far more effect to gain hold of his wrist so you are potentially battling for control of the knife during this time he is unable to use said knife .
the only time a gun is useful is when you are faced with one yourself or you are enough distance away to draw your gun . which is why removing guns all together lowers the risk to ever having to use one .

put this into a real life situation .

you’re faced with a male face to face threatening you with a knife for your wallet. you have a pistol in a holster on your belt . safety on .
you can do multiple things here . attempting to grab your gun will most likely cause him to thrust his knife into you in a panic . you may survive and let off a shot and kill or wound him but you yourself are now extremely wounded .

or B you grab hold of his wrist with all your weight and attempt to take control of the knife and detain said thug (give him a beating if you must ) and have him arrested

#439

There are no winners in a knife fight. Being armed does not matter. The most professional knife fighters/trainers will tell you there is no way you will leave a knife attack unharmed if the attacker has even the slightest clue how to handle a knife.

Trying to disarm someone, pistol or knife, is risky and requires a highly trained individual. In a scenario like that: just hand him over the damn wallet. Don’t be a hero.

If you see someone getting robbed with a knife/pistol pointed to the victims head/body you can actually act with the advantage of surprise. This is were armed civilians come into play. Or any other skilled person.

Self defense is a double edged sword. You don’t pull a gun and shoot the trespasser without knowing where it is safe to shoot without harming your family in the process. Take Pistorius as a negative example: he shot through a closed door because he “thought” it was a burglar… That is the kind of person that should never own a gun.

Just being armed because you can is not the right way. There has to be a purpose. Be it self-defense, law enforcement, competitive/recreational use or collecting.

People still think firearms are more dangerous than melee weapons. They are wrong. But no one will even suggest to ban kitchen knives for that reason. Firearms, however, have a bad reputation for being more fatal and evil.

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#440

You totally don’t understand how the crime works, do you?

The thug will pick the place, the time and the victim.

He has already screened the victim for their potential of defence - if the probability is high, he will move on to next target.

He has screened the whereabouts for the potential of intervention - be it by other people or by police - if the probability is high, he will move to other place.

He has thought of the time of attack so as to catch the victim by surprise.

If you think you can catch someone’s wrist and fight with him for the control of the knife, you have watched too much of ninja movies. Even experienced self-defence specialists will tell you that being at close quarters with a knife is life or death situation with the odds being on death. They would do anything possible to avoid exactly the scenario you are talking about. If you are a 2metres tall muscular guy, a thug will not pick you. If you are not, your chances of success and survival are next to none. The gun gives you the chance to sacrifice one hand to the knife while using the other to eliminate the threat. And even then your chances of success are very limited, no matter how fast you can be pulling the trigger. And if your mentality is “he has a knife but he won’t use it as long as I comply” - OK, fine, that can be your way. But the odds of you being right are the same as you being wrong on that - like putting your money on even in roulette. I don’t consider my life something I can gamble.

BTW, guns with safety are good for competition shooting, nobody of right mind is carrying a gun with safety as primary for self-defence nowadays. You carry a gun so that all you need to do is draw (one-handed), aim and pull the trigger.

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#441

Welcome to the modern United Kingdom, where the homicide rate by knives is so high after the banning of guns, that there are serious proposals to ban kitchen knives: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

#442

you do not have to be big or trained at anything to reduce your chance of being stabbed with your hands grabbing hold of his wrist for dear life will eventually make him drop the knife .
the thug isnt going to stab you instantly and if he did then your fucked with or without a gun .
some 18 year old tit wank isnt going to know how to use a knife properly they will just brandish and point . grab the wrist for your life and you will come out with 2 people alive .

do you really want to live in a world where people walk around all day with guns ?

#443

and dont even go their with dont have a safety on , thats just stupid

#444

First thing he does is some how get on the roof through the locked apartment building. Then he becomes an instant marksmen picking off civilians left and right. Yeah we all know how ridiculous that sounds. Police would have all exits of the building blocked and swat would infiltrate the building and kill the untrained man. Good luck escaping. If a police heli go close to him he would be gunned down due to the police on either side of the doors with m4s which have a much higher rate of fire than a barret. Maybe in jolly old England where hardly any civilians have guns this is a possibility. But here we could easily have armed civilians stopping the threat. Maybe if that happens your country you can run at ak wielding ISIS members with your taser. Still waiting on your response about the 2.5 million violent crimes stopped each year with guns. Or they could just walk into a populated area with a bomb in your backpack and give people no chance to defend themselves. Just because ISIS hasn’t bombed any of us yet doesn’t mean they wont.

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