Anyone else alittle paranoid of knife attacks?

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#706

as it is here , but that doesnt stop people doing it , the lack of education makes people do it .

well exactly you and everyone hopes you wouldnt have to but as i said their sole purpose is to kill , its up to you to choose to use the gun or not .

i would dispute that as your murder ratio is the same as ours .
90% of our crime is robbery usually committed by immigrants from eastern europe who come to the UK under the EU’s free movement with to the sole purpose to rob the "rich " british , which is a huge problem our government refuses to address out of fear of being branded racist , thankfully my country is waking up to this with the rise of UKIP :slight_smile: .
my society does not require people to carry a gun , so you contradict yourself when you say your society is safer than ours , how can you say that on one hand then say you carry a gun for self defence , surly if your society was safe and you felt safe , then you wouldnt feel the need to carry a gun . like i and 99% of british people fee. thats why there is no out cry in the UK to legalize guns .

the US is now too deep to get out and you’re far safer carrying a gun than not over their but thats not what i want for my home

#707

England + Wales:

  • population 57 mil
  • CCW licenses - around 5.000 (?) - only for ultra rich or powerful politicians
  • 3.731.300 crimes recorded by police in 2012

Czech Republic

  • population 10,6 mil
  • CCW licenses - around 200.000, shall issue
  • 304.000 crimes recorded by police in 2012

You are right about the murder rate being only slightly higher in UK, however, overall, UK has about double the crime rate. And guess what, we have more of those dreadful “Eastern Europeans” here than you do, them being native here, so I guess that is not the main culprit, it is only your racist perception.

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#708

id love to know where you got that figure from .
in the UK there are a total of 1.8 million guns legally on the streets Czech Republic has 600,000 legally on the streets ,
562,696 shotgun certificates on issue on 31 March 2012
141,820 firearm certificates on issue on 31 March 2012 (all other weapons )
so to conclude there are more guns in the UK than where you live .

the murder rates are the same per 100,000 not slightly higher or lower they are both 1 murder per 100,000 which is very low considering the USA’s is 5 per 100,000.

haha thats because most of the dreadful cunts are in my country ,its a dreadful reality for the UK but it is reality that we suffer a LOT of crime from people coming from the poor eastern european countries . not so much major crimes but like i said pick pocketing (mostly Romanian gypsy’s) and bag snatchers from the same sort of area of europe . very rare in the UK are you held against the wall and robbed

#709

and for the record no civilians in the UK are allowed CCW licences as they’re completely banned unless your military or in the police in which case you may although its rare be allowed to carry a concealed weapon

#710

That is apples and oranges. CCW = concealed carry weapon. I took the 5.000 from an article I read about half-a-year ago and which I cannot find (maybe it was not E&W but N. Ireland related though).

The shotgun/firearm certificate pertains to person or firearm? Because when I say 200.000 CCW licenses, it means that there are 200.000 people who may carry up to two concealed firearms at the same time, but may have another unlimited number of firearms back home. On top of it, there are another 100.000 people with hunting/sporting/collecting licenses, who may not carry a concealed firearm, but may own unlimited number of firearms and use them for sport or hunting. In total, there are some 730.000 legally owned firearms in hands of civilians in my country. However, you have to read it in the context of the fact that the communists basically disarmed everybody. The number keeps rising about 40% a decade now that we are free again.

#711

no civilian is allowed a CCW licence in the UK fullstop we do not allow guns for self defence therefore no civilian needs a permit only military or police do , and not all armed police have one as the point of armed police is for the sheer presence to make people surrender so hiding the gun defies the point so only special officers have hidden weapons

#712

So this is outdated?
http://dvc.org.uk/dunblane/ni.html

I estimate that currently (March 2007) there around 10,000 (ten
thousand) legally held PPW in Northern Ireland. This does not
include members of the Police, Prison Service and Security Forces
as they do not need a firearms certificate, they get a handgun
issued through their work for off duty use (although the Army has
disbanded the home service battalions of the Royal Irish Regiment
and previous to this had withdrawn most of the issued PPW). The
Westminster Government through pressure on our local firearms
licensing department are trying to reduce this number as the UK
Labour Party think they are evil nasty things and want to make us
all like the rest of the UK. As far as I am aware the figure of
10,000 does not include those who hold firearms such as pistols,
rifles, and shotguns for sporting purposes or for collecting
reasons.
Until recently anyone who fulfilled the General Threat
Criteria could get a PPW, usually a pistol. As long as you have
no mental problems, alcohol or drug problems or criminal
convictions. You also have to undergo a background security check
to make sure you are not a paedophile or some such thing. Your own
GP (General Practitioner, i.e. family doctor) may be approached by
the Police and is the only medical professional that can say you
are insane. Significantly they are not allowed to comment on
whether they like firearms, only that you are sane or not.

#713

northern ireland is a bit of a funny bit as they have slightly different weapon law however they are now coming in line with the rest of the UK .
the number of PPW in northan irelands as of 2012 (may of dropped ) is

A total of 2,924 licenses have ‘Personal Protection Weapon’ among the conditions of use. These holders include ex-PSNI, civilians and prison officers.

#714

so yes that is extremely out dated

#715

also for future reference try to stay away from "Pistol Pete " and his i qoute “I estimate that currently (March 2007) there around 10,000” his estimates are way off , stick to government sources on this , they have plenty of reports that they have to make public every year , or at least credible media sources

#716

Well, the point is that the Czech Republic has much higher per capita gun ownership and CCW for self-defense is realtively common and non-problematic. UK has much lower per capita gun ownership, CCW and self-defense is prohibited.

Murder rate is about the same, criminality is double in UK. Do it your way and we will do it our way, just stop telling me that ours is wrong, especially in the face of the criminality stats.

#717

i dont think your way is wrong at all in fact i would say your way is the correct way if you wish to have legal concealed guns .

#718

Without trying to start another feud, I just stumbled upon this.

#719

indeed london has a knife crime issue but as i said before most of this crime happens on the poor estates and tower blocks of flats , your everyday working brit is unlikely to become and victim , 90% is gang related and gangs killing gangs.
as long as your sensible and know your area you know the spots to not walk down alone , you can have guns or not have guns these places will always exist you just have to be intelligent about it and avoid them.

im sure there are areas near you that wouldnt go alone at night

#720

to back up my point earlier of people not respecting guns


only a air rifle but my point stands people dont respect guns enough to be trusted even with a air rifle (which are legal in uk )_

#721

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#722

like i said before a gun only has one purpose . To kill.

A bat is designed to be used in sport .
rope is designed to tie things together
A knife is designed to cut/slice things

all can be used in murder but only one is designed to murder

#723

Guns are tools, simple as that. Saying that one is designed for murder is not accurate. A gun that is a tool designed for killing, yes, i will not argue with that. However, saying a gun is designe for murder is a very silly thing to say. Guns, like any tool, have multiple uses. Those uses may not be what the tool was originally intended for, but they are still uses. Guns can be used to ruthlessly murder people, yes, but they can be used to feed your family, defend yourself or people that are close to you from harm, and for a good bit of fun on a weekend at the range. the fact of the matter is, is that as long as we live in the massive herd that we call society, there will be crime and there will be murder. Humans are predators, and predators predate on things. so, ya, that my way of seeing it.

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#724

Guns don’t kill people, spoons don’t make people fat. It depends what the HUMAN is doing with the tool. Even if you believe firearm were only invented for murder, people don’t have to use them that way.

Cars were made for transportation, not racing. The internet was not made for porn and cat memes, it was for military communications.

If your point of view is that items only can be used in their original intended purpose, have fun using your computer, a military invention, and better turn off GPS on your smartphone…also a military technology. I could name quite a few things that you should stop using, point is: Just because an item was build for a specific task it still can be used in many different ways. The intention of the user is in consequence good or bad, not the item.

If murder was so bad, why not make laws against it so it will never happen again, regardless of the item used? Speed limits also work pretty good. Or do you really believe laws will always be followed by the book? This is naive, my friend.

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#725

i mealy said murder as it went well with the sentence :stuck_out_tongue: not all killing is murder im fully aware of that dont worry

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