Anyone else alittle paranoid of knife attacks?

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#102

i live in the UK (london)
my view is the US gun laws are out dated , the law its self originates from us the british when we controlled the land that is now yours , in them days tho when we established your right to bear arms in the americas territories we did so for a specific reason and that was because of the constant danger posed by the natives to the "white man " , and we simply did not have enough troops to defend all of the "white people " in america so we allowed people to carry weapons and be able to defend their land , simple and fair .
lets fast forward to today , that danger is gone .

their is no reason for someone living in a city to have a gun . if you feel that to be free you have to be packing some serious fire power then you have a big problem .
the danger of so many people having weapons is simple but one that american gun activists overlook , you can apply as many checks as you want to getting a gun but it simply does not safe guard against a guy up until the moment he kills someone is totally normal and kind and respectable but that ONE day he just snaps and pulls the trigger , and 8/10 that is what has happened with the shootings in the US,UK and anywhere else .
so my view is that the US should have similar laws to the UK , contrary to popular belief guns are not illegal in the UK but you must have a reason to own one , e.g do shooting as a sport (can prove this ) and you must own enough land to use this weapon on (back garden doesnt cut it )
if you tick all the boxes you will be issued with a shotgun licence and you can only buy a shotgun , after a few years incident free you may apply for a rifle licence where you can own a a single shot bolt action only rifle (im pretty sure its only bolt action may be wrong ) , and thats it pistols are forbidden as their useless for sport so the only reason you would have one was to hide and kill with .
also contrary to popular belief you can legally kill in self defence in the UK . it isnt in black and white but this was highlighted a few years ago , you can use whatever force you deem necessary to remove the threat to you or your property , if that means killing then do be it but you must be able to prove it was the only option so for example a man with a knife in your house that is prepared to use it would be a situation where you would be allowed to shoot him if you have a gun or stab him before he does you , same in the street , but if his back is turned to you then he is not a threat and you cant kill him .

living in london means i can have armed police at my door is less that 5 minutes so any gun crime is swiftly dealt with but they are few and far between

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#103

First off i wish everyone would stop saying pistols are only meant to kill. Guns were originally meant for killing but we use them for hunting,self defense, sports, and just shooting for fun. Pistols are used in America for self defense and sport and believe it or not hunters carry them as side arms when hunting. Second off theres a lot of cities that have heavy gun restrictions in America and thats where highest Percent of violent crime happens. So yeah if i lived in a big city i would want a gun more than if i lived in a rural area. Third ive heard constantly that your police dont carry fire arms from citizens and even british police. So it would only take one man with a gun to completely make your police useless. Fourth London has over 100,000 stabbings per year so it looks like pretty much banning guns didn’t help your situation with crime. Im going to say this again the revolutionary war started when 700 british troops marched on Lexington and Concord to seize weapons and ammunition held by colonists. If our government ever tried to put laws in place like you have in the U.K there would be a full scale uprising. I also find it unfair that you compare our crime rate with yours when we have 300 million people here plus 14 million illegals you have 65 million people.

Im pretty sure guns are banned in Washington D.C because its the nations capital. They have the second highest murder rate in America and guns aren’t even part of the picture. Detroit i assume it was banned because the city is a crime infested shit hole and they thought banning guns would stop the gang violence and crime. But in reality murder rates and violent crime have soared ever since they banned guns their.

#104

Yeah Obama care is far from free it will actually cost the average American 8000 more a month in medical insurance costs. The government is also exempting many big businesses from it and thats why most people dont want it. The instructor with the uzi was letting a 9 year old girl shoot a fully automatic weapon which was just sheer stupidity on his behalf.

#105

@Daniel_Boon
I have to admit that I don’t know the details about Obamacare. With the things you both mentioned the whole thing looks quite different.

@SirWarriant
yep, as I said that really lacks common sense. One should be able to expect that the recoil with an automatic weapon can’t be handled by a child.

Your response wasn’t addressed to me (or at least I think it wasn’t) but I already refered to this point in my post (4. paragraph). It’s not about the plain numbers, more about the percentage.

#106

a few errors you have their ,

  1. indeed not all british police have guns but there is ALWAYS an armed response unit nearby like i said any crime that requires and armed response is dealt with in under 5 minutes , if you ever come to london you will noitice police with guns EVERYWHERE normally assault rifles , taser and side arm , if not a patrol car will be VERY close by which has weapons in it , this changes depending on the area you live in , so if your area is pretty low gun crime then there may only be 2 armed units in that area so may have to wait up too ten minutes for armed response ,
  2. london is around 12,000 stabbings a year not 100,000 this is still very high but you cant stop people having access to knifes .
  3. the revolution did not start with a single event was more like a result of higher taxes than native brits etc not a single event
  4. pistols are useless for hunting as they have crap range only useful if a bear is on top of you ,
    unless you’re jesus you wont be clay pigeon shooting with a pistol , so handguns are not needed for anything other than to kill and if thats your intention you shouldnt own a gun .

the fomula is a simple one my friend
less guns =less gun crime
more guns = more gun crime

#107

Well if you would want to kill 100 people and then kill yourself you probably won’t mind breaking the law and get an illegal weapon. Sure not everyone should have one but were I live there’s no chance for me having one (don’t have a reason to have one anyways) but it is funny because it was totally ok to carry a fully loaded G36 anytime on foreign soil when I was deployed and afterwards I’m not trustworthy anymore (it seems).

I think it would better to have responsible educated gun owners than no guns at all. The laws to ban weapons are just making it easier for criminals in my opinion.
Could be wrong here of course but then I would recommend illegalizing crime so there are no more
 Oh wait


guns in general or legal guns?

I wouldn’t want to wait for a response unit when someone tries to rob me. People have been killed even when they did give all their money so that’s no option either. Doesn’t feel safe to rely on luck.

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#108

Well thanks for telling me about british cops. 12,000 stabbings is a problem sounds like you need knife control. Thats also just in one city. Gun crime may be higher in an area with more guns but total violent crime and murders go down like i said go to the FBIs website they have all the statistics. Im glad your police has good response time but ours doesn’t ive have to call the police before when we thought we had a break in. We didn’t have a gun in the house so we locked ourselves in a room. It took the cops about 30 minutes to get to my house even though the police station is less than 10 minutes away. I personally know many hunters and almost all of them carry a pistol when they hunt big game. I live in colorado where we have cougars and bears so yeah pistols can be helpful for scaring the animal off. In some states we also have a wild boar problem and they are very aggressive so thats a reason to carry a pistol when camping, hiking ect I know people who go hiking a lot and they take a pistol with them for wild animals so they dont have to lug a high powered rifle around with them. I know people who shoot in pistol competitions there is more to shooting contests than clay pigeons.The first shots of the revolution started because the british tried to take guns so we couldn’t rise up.

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#109

also on comparing murder states between the us and uk let me compare for you

the US population is 4.6 times bigger than that of the uk if we go from a straight 300 million US to 65 million UK
UK murder rate in 2013 was 551 compared to the US of 14,827
so to give a sort decent comparison lets multiply the UK murder rate by 4.6 gives us a grand total of 2,534.6 so round it too 2,535 .
going by the current percentage of murders in the UK with the same population we are still 12,292 murders less than you ,

as for gun crime the figue stands at 49 firearm attacks in the uk and 8,000 in the US

#110

The gun crime statistic is debatable because it includes suicides with guns, people who are shot by the police (theres a lot of that going on right now) people who kill someone in self defense so the real gun attacks made by criminals in the United States is much lower than 8000 if you take all other factors into consideration. It is a plain fact in the United states that areas with lower firearm ownership have much higher murder rates and other crime. I also didn’t want to say this because it might sound a racist but 80% of the murders in the us are committed by black people and they make up 12% of the population. So that means 12% of the population are committing the majority of the murders
So saying guns as a whole is the problem is wrong. So statistically speaking if that 12% stopped killing people 80% of our murders woulds stop.

#111

my statement stands , less guns = less people killed by firearms
also the 8,000 state was homicide by firearm and does not include police shootings

stats were both off government websites

#112

guns in general .
the stats speak for themselves , i have never been robbed (touchwood) i feel completely safe where i live and if someone was to threaten me with a knife me and most people would be able to defend themselves with their hands as for a gun we cant but guns are few and far between in the UK and finding someone willing to use it even less but yes it does happen ,

my brother however was threatened with a knife when he was younger over his phone within 10 minutes of the call and mention of a knife the entire area was gridlocked with armed police , police dogs , helicopters etc the person in question was brought to the ground by the mouth of a rather angry German shepherd

#113

It does actually im going with FBI statistics on this one. Guns are banned in Mexico and they have the highest or the second murder rate in the world. We also need secure borders because a lot of murders are committed by illegals as well because our government is to lazy to build a fence with barbed wire. The majority of the murders are committed in the big cities where guns are banned control simply does not work in America and that has been proven time and time again. Mark my words as soon as firearms are banned in the United States its off to the FEMA camps for us.

#114

Well that seems a little over kill for one guy with a knife but anyway im glad you have good police we dont. Our cops are abusive and lazy and show up after the person has been killed. There are thousands of people in the united states each year that use guns to defend themselves and take the gun out of the equation and all those people are dead which would make our crime rate skyrocket.

#115

Crime rates and most other cross country statistics are done pr captia or pr. 100.000 citizen. So the size of the population is not really that important.

United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime give us the following numbers.
The US had 4.7 Homicides pr. 100.000 people in 2012.
Canada: 1.6
UK: 1.0
Denmark: 0.8
This do include all homicides, not just with guns.

You write that 80% of all murders are committed by blacks. Do you have a source for that?
I found this: "for violent crime by race in 2011, 59.4% of those arrested were white, 38.3% were black, and 2.2% were of other races"
Pretty fare from 80% but this is for all violent crimes, not just murders.

One advantage of being a small country, is that all our police officers are trained centrally. (takes 3 years and is not an easy *“job” to get) so keeping the “quality” high is easier than in the US.
And also only having one police force helps. (compered to local, state police, FBI)

#116

I said murders not violent crime. 12 percent of the population committing 36 percent of violent crime thats pretty bad still. I got the stats from a black man who debating piers Morgan on cnn about how 80% of the murders are committed by his race. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded/expanded-homicide-data

I would also like to bring up again how illegal immigrants are also a big part of the crime factor.

#117

im afraid you have been infected with the american decease , :slight_smile: where you simply refuse to make a link between more guns = more gun crime , less guns =less gun crime .
the very fact you would compare to mexico one of the most lawless places in the world where they smuggles tons of drugs through and guns speaks for its self , lets compare you to say china that has tight gun controls and population of over 1 billion 
2010 their murder rate 
13,000 less than the USA’s with nearly 4 times higher population , that gives them a stat of 1 murder per 100,000 that has now dropped to 0.8 murders per 100,000 .
we can keep comparing if you like ?
the Us curently sit nicely on 5 murders per 100,000

#118

Don’t also black people (hope this isn’t to politically incorrect for you folks) make the majority of ghettos? At least this is the impression I get from media. This would mean that they are poor. This itself brings a lot of issues, one of them being high crime rates (robbing, stealing, dealing drugs etc.)

You (not just you in particular) can’t just look at the outcome, but also have to take a look at the causes. It’s a huge, very complex problem.

#119

You are clearly infected with the British disease where you fail to acknowledge that places in the United States where guns are banned have a much higher crime rate than places where guns have little to no restrictions. We pretty much have military on the streets of Detroit and Chicago thats how bad its gotten and we’ve banned guns their yet people still find ways to murder each other. You also never responded to my point on how thousands of people are saved each year in the united states because they carry firearms.

#120

Yes a lot of them do live in slums but most of them are content to live off welfare and food stamps the rest of their life or join a gang.

#121

that page say:

Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)

That sounds more correct. a good deal lower than the 80%. It is still clear that a black male is way more likely to commit a murder, than a white man,

The logical next step is to find out what the average income is for a person who commit murder. And what it is with the white murderers and black murderers
 My guess would be that is is clearly lower for blacks.
(Since I don’t believe skin color is the reason for the higher rate, there most be a social/economic reason for it)

But better get back to my writing assignment for tomorrow
 :slight_smile:

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