The gun is used as more of a symbol of clarity, like i have seen some people with signs on their front porch saying Firearms inside. A cat burglar will not go into a house that he or she believes has a firearm in it. and besides, our gun laws are there purely because the fucking British decided to declare marshal law and come in here puffing out their chests with their fancy lines of soldier, and get wrecked by a bunch of squirrel hunters. Anyway, we are all paranoid of having a corrupt government, so our country has the best built in self defense system ever.
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anyway i think im going to close this thread because i asked a simple question and you all broke out into a gun law debate? how the fuck did this come out of a question about if you were afraid of knife attacks? anyway, fuck all this argumentation, and iâm sorry i caused it.
Well it was a misunderstanding between me and another person it looked a lot like he was insulting my country which i take as a personal attack because i am very patriotic but yes i think its time you closed this thread. But there really was no insulting going on at all and everyone was polite to each other unlike other threads. But yeah close the thread.
It depends on how manypeopleare in a subway. China has a very large population, with a cramped subway it isnât too hard to belive that you could kill 3o people. However this was a very large space, so that is not the same stuation.
America has a very large population too in fact its the third most populated country in the world after china and India. The point remains that you can kill just as many people with a knife as you can with a gun. Most shootings also happen in confined spaces and cramped areas.
A knife is far more deadly then a gun, knives donât jam, knives donât misfire, and most importantly they are far easier to conceal. along with that, the fear factor for a knife is so much more then a gun. therefor you are far more likely to panic and make wrong moves when the threat of a knife is immediate. and if you say you would rather be stabbed the shot, then you havenât seen the injures a knife will inflict. the number one thing you have to worry about with guns, unless you have been hit in a vital organ, is the shock it causes. with a knife, there is blood loss, trying not to get stabbed,and its far more painful. Also, when someone is bent on hurting you with a knife, and you cant escape, your not leaving there without at LEAST some serious defensive wounds. Its far better to just sacrifice your hand to grab the blade if you can, then bring your other hand up to get his wrist, and only focus on the knife, dont pay any mind to if he is punching or kicking you, the knife is your biggest threat. once you have the knife, just get up and run away, do not give him a second chance to reclaim his weapon.
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Yeah thatâs why im in favor of concealed pistols. I would knock my attacker back long enough for me to draw my weapon. i would only give him a chance to surrender if i could you donât take chances with your life. Another thing about knife attacks is the attacker is usually on some form of drug meth, speed, bath-salts, and other drugs which make people feel like theyâre invincible. Its your life or theirs in a situation like that.
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I know you can kill just as many people with a knife as a gun, but that is beside the point, the point is we shouldnât give guns to everyone who wants one. Plus the matter is simply true that the average Joe can kill more people with a gun out in the open than with a knife.
Just because a knife doesnât jam, doesnât mean it is more deadly than a gun. If your gun is well prepared and your a going to kill a ton of people then the point is chances are you will kill more people in five minutes,with a gun
than a knife
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Everyone in my unit owns a personal firearm. Weâre all trained to use assault rifles (among other weapons), have a very supportive community, and all have pretty clean criminal records. This is the best case scenario for gun ownership. But even saying that, all law abiding citizens should have access to weapons not just soldiers.
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Yep, knife attacks could be very drastic and lethal.
A knife could end manâs life in quickly and dirty.
Just remember what happened to the best Bulgarian MMA fighter Blagoy Ivanov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blagoy_Ivanov
But why someone would draw a knife in the first place - itâs a way better to fight bare-handed like a real man. Also, stop striking the opponent as soon as he had enough and obviously lost his aggression and doesnât want to continue the brawl. Also, there is no necessity to even punch a man if he obviously doesnât want to fight back. Maybe slap him if he has a big mouth and begone with. But to pull out a knife and stab a man⊠I would consider this an option only in a life-threatening situation and 99% of the street brawl are not this case.
P.S. Iâm more afraid of a sword attack 
and even more of a gun shot. IMHO knife<sword<gun FTW.
@SirWarriant,
I will be honest with you, off topic.
I donât like nowaday USA. I donât like the oppressive government who tries to strip you out of your Constitutional rights. I donât like the corrupt (private) Federal Reserve which dictates aggressive foreign policy and total espionage. USA was the best country to live in the end of 18th and the first half of 19th century. Period. But not anymore - neither it is as âdemocraticâ as they make you believe nor it is as âfreeâ as they say.
BUT, what I really adore in the USA are the gun laws (in most states, Alaska and Florida mostly). Every non-criminal citizen could acquire a pistol, shotgun or semi-auto carbine without a license and buy unlimited ammo in the malls He may shoot it as much as he wants in safe locations, he could defend himself or his property with lethal force without being prosecuted, and there is even a âstand your groundâ rule which gives him the right to use deadly force in self-defense even when outside of his property. Simply, it canât get any better than this! And I speak from the point of no-nonsense, law abiding European citizen who wonât go and attack anyone ever. Wish my country had the same gun laws⊠Also, I very much like the USAâs court rule of the âprecedentâ - it removes the double standard in judging which is so common in corrupt Eastern Europeanâs governments.
So donât get me wrong, your countryâs foreign policy disgust me, but you have some very, very good traits in internal policy which deserve fighting for, mostly because they stretch back to the Founding Fathers of USA and are guaranteed by your Constitution. Donât let your corrupt government take them away because of some manipulated âschool shootingsâ. Guns donât kill people, people kill people. Whoever wants to use a gun for homicide, he could easily buy it from black market. Period.
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I mostly agree with you. I only read the first 36 posts and yours since there is so much I like to talk about right now, especially from a european (German) point of view concerning @SirWarriant 's question.
Just a little disclaimer beforehand: I donât mean to insult or attack anyone here personally by my opinions written here, just some experiences I gathered, things Iâve heard, seen or read. I noticed that you didnât want to start a debate, but I think itâs gotten out of hand anyway 
- more or less at least. Because if that, that will be some general things I think or learned about the US, not just gun laws. I think I know the english language ok-ish, but some words might be not accurate, because theyâre translated by a online translator (no, not google ;)). Also language might get a little rougher than US citizens might be used from a normal discussion
Iâve been to US in 2007 since I got some family there (Indiana/Kentucky region). There are a lot of things I really like about the US, but also a lot of things I donât like or simply donât understand. First off: I can totally understand why you donât trust your government. Everytime I see a speech or debate of some sort, I could throw up. Looking at german politicians, that are just some people that talk a lot without anything to say. Which is fine, if you donât mind stagnation. But looking at american politicians, I can nearly feel how they are trying to kiss the voters ass. All those slimy people talking about how this and that is bad for economy and well-being, blaming the other party (speaking here mostly about republicans and democrats - yes, I know that there are more parties around). Not even backing up once there are real issues ahead and governmental authorities have to close because the canât get paid. This is just plain stupidity in my eyes.
About the higher crime and/or murder rates @SirWarriant was talking about: yes, if there are more people in your country, there will most likely be more crime. But compared to 100,000 citizens, USA has still a lot more than most european country. That said, I donât mean this in a âlook, Europe is so much better than the USâ kind of way, just plain numbers. The issue might not even be the number of crimes, but the reason for those, which would (very simplified) be that poop people getting poorer, while rich people getting richer and the middle class is more and more decreasing. There are also reasons for this, but Iâm really not into economy. The same trend can be seen in Europe, especially in southern European countries, where the unemployment rate is rather high. Pulling the racial/immigrants card on this one is neither the reason nor the solution. In Germany there are around 16 mil. immigrants out of 80 mil. inhabitants total. Of course this are only official numbers, no one knows the actual numbers.
About the healthcare I really canât see the problem with that much americans complaining about âObamacareâ. Isnât it better to have a governmental healthcare than having non at all? As I mentioned, I can understand why you donât trust your government, but this is for once a good thing. I can only speak from the German side again on this one, but we got statutory health insurance as well as private health insurance (if you earn enough, and in some other cases). We also pay for our health insurance. But not only that, we also pay pension insurance, nursing care insurance, unemployment insurance, just to name the social insurances. So no, health care is even here not for free.
Now talking about guns and gun rights I think most things have already be mentioned. I myself never shot a gun, but I thing that I would be really fun. As long as it stays on the shooting range itâs fine. The problem in my opinion arenât the gun rights itself, itâs the people. If someone really wants to get a gun or really want to kill someone (and therefor wants a gun) he/she will get one, no matter the laws. I noticed that the gun laws are quite different for every state, so we might not speak for the US as a whole on this topic but rather for some states⊠which on the other hand would things really make more difficult and weâd need to know the laws of all the states
I can understand people that say that there is no need for weapons like AR15âs or such, but on the other hand, does it really make a difference if someone is killed by a Glock17, a AR15 or a Remington 870? Dead is dead, isnât it? I get the idea behind laws that protect your property, so that you are allowed to shoot someone once he walks over your lawn, but that doesnât necesserily mean that I support such a behavior (that of the shooter, not the one who walked on the lawn). This just seems a little extreme to me. But that might just be some individual cases. Since the weapon lobby (NRA and such) is quite strong, I doubt that the laws will be very much stricter. Seeing young kids shoot just makes me insane every time. Also things like this 9-year-old girl shooting her instructor with an Uzi because she couldânt handle the recoil⊠there are moment when I highly doubt common sense. And this are things that make americans look like gun swinging maniacs. (No offense)
What I really liked about my visit in the US are the people. They really are nice and all. Well at least at first, because what I noticed is, that most of them just act nice because you expect them to be. But there seemed to be a lot of backbite (Translator? - have you failed me, that sounds strange). Which on the other hand fits really well into the pumped up, silicon filled, glamour world of L.A. where everyone wants to be famous which brings us (even in Europe) a lot of trashy casting shows and stuff. Anyway, the service in Walmart or Bestbuy was really great, some stores over here should really take a look at that. And than thereâs nature. Since the USA are such a large country there is much to see. I really like the different landscapes, you really got everything there. Which is why I kind of can understand that (so it seems) most people donât leave the country. Or it might be because the media is even WAY more manipulative than in Europe. I really got the feeling that it is tactically using fear to control the people. At least some ânewsâ stations.
I might add some more, once I can think of more. Hope this helps you a little to understand how Europeans look at the US.
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btt: Iâm sometimes sitting in the bus imagining what Iâd do if someone was attacking me with a knife, which looks way more badass in my imagination than it would look for real.
Edit2: edited paragraph about gun laws.
The thing is, you can very well defend yourself without gun. Many non-lethal weapons like tasers, pepper sprays work perhaps even better than guns when it comes to small distances, but thatâs the case when you are attacked on the street. Ordinary criminals in Europe donât usually have guns 'cause they canât get easily to them and even that fact alone reduces chances, that you will be hurt when you are robbed.
Many Americans argue, that they need to defend their home, when thereâs a robber, but how is a gun good weapon to defend yourself? It is not that easy to use, it is scarily random, when it gets to close combat etc. Simple paralyzer or pepper spray or taser are better than guns and in most cases will not kill the robber (taser immediately cripples the attacker, gun doesnât guarantee that).
Yet the arguments are still the same. You canât be surprised when Europeans think that Americans get an erection whenever they see a gun.
In sweden you are forbidden to carry knives or firearms in public. And you need special permission to own firearms (mostly hunter firearms are allowed). You are forbidden from carrying knives because it can provoke people and make you become more threatening. I personally likes these laws. Because if fewer people can get guns, fewer psycos can get to them. Sure there is shooting and knife stabing happening. But it is not very much.
I donât like the US idea of owning a gun to protect yourself. Because that just makes it easier for the one your protecting yourself against to get a gun. Itâs a bad circle.
But for the most part, a happy population, with low poverty and non wide social cliffs tends to deliver the fewest shootouts, stab attacks and such.
So no, I am not afraid of getting stabbed with a knife.
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well way did they have strict gun laws in that place?? maybe they made it illigal to have guns becuse the crime was to high in that place? your not telling the full story. when and way did they put on strict guncontrol in this areas you talk about?. i dont know. but let me guess that detroit has this law?
Hmm. interesting, guns more dangerous then knives, hmmmmmm
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Nobody ever believes me when i tell them how corrupt our government is, and that the Federal bank is under the control of the crown corporation. The British didnât lose the revolution, they simply took control another way. you believe me?
Yes but Obamacare just made it so we had to have health care, we still have to pay for it in full, and the reason some people didnt have it was because they couldnt afford it.
A 12 quage when shot from 5 feet into somebodies shoulder or leg, will cause so much shock they may go into cardiac arrest before they even bleed out.