Bohemian Heraldy

[serk]

Hello everyone,

Since KCD sparked my interest for bohemian history, I was looking for some heraldy from the era. Unfortunatly, all I could find so far are the royal CoA but nothing more. There are plenty of websites with detailed English or French heraldy, such as this one but I havn’t found anything as detailed for the Kingdom of Bohemia. Is there any known website where I could find most of the CoA for the lesser houses\nobles?

I recall the hour long streaming gameplay video where we could see the Rattay’s lord using black arrows crossed on yellow background, but that’s it.

Thanks!

[masozravapalma]

http://www.heraldica.cz/
http://www.genealogie.cz/
http://www.heraldikus.wz.cz/ramy.htm

Most of the resources are of course in Czech, even when the webpages have English section, it contains minimum information.

[DrFusselpulli]

The Coat of Arms of House Leipa are not crossed arrows but ladders build from trees, used to climb a wall in a siege:

[Feek]

When metal detecting I sometimes find a button engraved with coat of arms. To ID them I’m using a book that is basically a catalogue of czech coats of arms. Unfortunately I’d say that most of the them might be in later versions than from medieval era. The drawings are crude, but it has lesser nobles too. Here’s a link I use (Author: Milan Mysliveček):

First part: http://rybniky.rajce.idnes.cz/Erby_ceske_slechty_-Erbovnik_1/
Second part: http://rybniky.rajce.idnes.cz/Erby_ceske_slechty-_Erbovnik_2/

As for the buttons with this book I can identify around 50 % of them.

[DrFusselpulli]

Really nice. The coat of arms of Rattay is on page 33 of the first part. It is the coat of arms of Lipé

And on Page 43 of the first part, we have even the coat of arms of Pirkenstejna. This family is a part of the Family of Lipé, and it does have its name from the castle in the game, formed shortly before the game takes place.

On page 57 of part one we can find the coat of arms of Talmberk, this castle will be in the Beta, and you already can see it on the map of Merchojed.

On page 10 of part two we can see the coat of arms of Henrys lord, ce Dvojic

And on page 49 of part two we see the coat of arms of Šternberk, a family living in a castle just south of Rattay, unfortunately, the castle is not in the game.

That book is quite interesting @Feek, thank you.

[ProkyBrambora]

P: “what should be our new coat of arms?”
L: “what do I care, you wanted to have your own”
P: “yea, but what should it be?”
L: “Gracious God, just change the helmet cover and remove the pillow and be done with it”

L - Lord of lipé
P - Lord of Pirkštejn

Also seems like that in 14th century in Heraldry of Lipé there was not a peacock tail but just that of a rooster.
And no crown. And the helmet cover was the same as that of Pirkštejn, created later. (humf bit confusing)

[Feek]

You’re welcome. It’s fascinating how the coat of arms were changing throughout the history.

I remembered that there is also a cool database made from a scanned manuscript from 1680s.

http://www.erbovnik.info/index.php

For example their version of CoA of lord “Z Lipé” is (what a nicely done fish ) :

[ProkyBrambora]

Funny how it is not “Z Lipé” but “ZLippeho” or is it G and not H?

Is this authentic historical drawing? Its like someone from primary school draw that

[Feek]

Hehe yes it is, they clearly didn’t pay the artist enough to bother with drawing the peacock tail properly. Looks like it’s “Z Lippego”. Possible german influence? I never understood how all the transliterations worked.

Edit: Wow, some of those are too funny

Guys with no shame:

Idea: 9/10 Execution: 2/10 :

People of colour edition:

A hot girl helps everything:

[serk]

Thanks for the feedback.

I’m particularly impressed by the diversity in the CoAs. Some are really surprising, (that lobster in the last page of part 1! )Maybe the heraldic rules were less strict than in Western Europe?

I might be wrong but to me, the French CoAs look more “codified”, with specific colours and symbols being re-used, with the usual suspects such as the obvious fleur de lis, towers, lions and leopard, ships, wheat, etc.

Cheers,

Serk

P.s. Concerning Lipé, I would never have guess those were ladders

[Gryphonheart]

And next to ze Dvojic, there’s also house of Gryphonshill. Really interesting, as I never heard about any place within Bohemia named after Gryffin

[ProkyBrambora]

those were ladders

Those are actually called “ostrve”. It is basicaly a tree trunk with chopped off branches.
And these were used as ladders to climb up the enemy rampart.

[ProkyBrambora]

never heard about any place within Bohemia named after Gryffin

I went bit searching and it seems that “Gryfí hora” /Gryphons hill/ was a part of Prague.
Here is heraldic yearbook from 1994: http://www.historie.hranet.cz/heraldika/hr/hr1994.pdf

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[Cedeus]

Maybe the heraldic rules were less strict than in Western Europe?

Well, heraldic rules have not always been strictly followed. The coat of arms of the duchy of Szczecin/Stettin in Pomerania for example was a red griffin on a blue field, what violates the rule of tincture. It’s the first field of this coat of arms ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:POL_księstwo_pomorskie_COA.svg ).
Nowadays the city of Szczecin/Stettin still uses these colors together in their coat of arms.