CUMANS Defeated

Story & Setting
#1

woo new update !!!

while we are on the topic of cumans ,
i have had an idea (may already be in the game ) for act 2 or a DLC to Act 1 to spice things up .
for the cumans to be a 3rd main force in the civil war , they clearly already have a part in the game but to what extent is unknown (unless ive missed something big ) , but in this instance they have decided to take advantage of the unstable situation and invade forcing a multiple front war and even larger battles :smiley: involving three armies all fighting over one town or castle and have mass groups of cuman cavalry charging through villages raping and pillaging and generally being a bunch of c**ts .
just an idea that maybe as a community we could build on together and be implemented as a DLC or Act 2 .

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#2

Don’t make sense at all. As you maybe know hungarian kings used Cumans as a borders protecting force at since Bela the fourth gave them a land in today’s Záhorie region in western Slovakia (near Malacky, between Bratislava and the Morava river boundary of Slovakia). There are a lot of places and villages named using the “Plavecký” prefix - e.g. Plavecký castle - the Cumans castle. Cumans were known as Polovci or Plavci in slavic languages, supposedly because of their blonde hair. You may know the Borodin’s opera Prince Igor and the famous “Polovtsian dances” in particular - these are inspired by Cumans and the The Tale of Igor’s Campaign in general, perhaps old and perhaps not so old Russian poem about Russo-Polovtsian war of the late Kievian Rus period.
The migration of Cumans into Bela’s Hungary was probably caused by the Mongolian invasion of course.
So it would be absurd to propose the Cumans as a major force in the area.

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#3

you clearly know a lot more about them than me however of course it would involve a certain amount of imaginations . wouldnt even have to be the Cumans , i just have a warming to the idea of it not just being a plain civil war but for it to spark out of control into a much larger conflict involving more than two sides each bringing there culture and weapons creating a much more diverse world .

#4

In case my previous post seemed rude I am terribly sorry. Was in a kind of hurry.
I would say we could perhaps hope for the Hussite wars to be covered by Warhorse. And that could perhaps be exactly what you want. :slight_smile:
Or some other important 14-15th century conflict. (Fall Of Constantinople perhaps? I would love to play the Mika Waltari’s greek character :smiley: )

Actually I am now about ten km far of the Cuman’s castle in Slovakia. (At my wife’s relatives.) Nice place.

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#5

why not just make up a conflict , we can still have a realistic game but set in a fictional war , if we are to just stick to real history there the game can only go so far ,

#6

I personally think historical accuracy was one of the premisses of this game and it would not be good to go too far away from it. Of course there are things which can´t be represented with 100% accuracy, but such things like fictional wars are too much. Little conflicts with Cumans okay, but a fully grown war…meh… I don´t like the thought of this.
Like I said, just my personal thoughts :slight_smile:

#8

im sort of 50/50 on how much they make up , i think if it was kept too accurate then it would just be to … over the top . no reason why it couldnt be kept realistic and be set in a fictional war that way there is room for some imagination and creativity rather than just coping from a history book

#9

I quite agree. I wont mind hypothetical fictional war (e.g. Joan of Arc fulfilling her promises and leading a crusade against Hussites :smiley: and of course being utterly defeated) based on the real situation. But then again I would always prefer historical fiction based on real events and characters to fantasy. (I would probably never understand the popularity of Song of Ice And Fire. And perhaps more controversially I absolutely prefer Sapkowski’s hussite wars trilogy to his Witcher series.) So frankly it’s a kind of prejudice on my side.

It’s probably simply a matter of personal taste. Therefore the hypothetical fictional war GeorgeWest proposed may be just fine and may prove popular. Not everyone cares for the history.

As overwhelmingly popular period / historical fiction proves there is a lot of room for great imagination and creativity eventhough you want to stay in accord with history books. From Homeros to Leo Tolstoy to Waltari etc. some of those works belong amongst the greatest artistic achievements and become universally canonical.

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#10

I suppose this is mostly about personal preference. I say if their goal is to make an realistic and accurate (in terms of historical accuracy) medieval game,then they should stick to the history that really happened and souldn´t make up conflicts. The history of mankind contains enough conflicts and wars you can take as model for the game, so it ´s just not necessary to make one up.

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#11

isnt the game set in a fictional war now tho ?

ive always enjoyed my history being English i have much to chose from in my own nations fruitful past . admittedly my knowledge of eastern European medieval history is a little on the weak side im much more in favour of the good old days of the british empire (good or bad days depending on what side of the bayonet you fell) but alas i do enjoy playing medieval games and always have . ive always been in favour of historical accuracy in terms of way of life and gear but i think a good story is one that surprises you and you cant get that from a game that is so following real life events too much

#12

I don´t know the details they plan to implement.
But the conflict itself is one that really happened. It is the fight for the bohemian throne, fought between Wenzel IV and his younger brother Sigismund, who promised to help him to gain back his crown (he lost it a few years earlier when his other brother and some noblemen revolted) but Sigismund broke this promise (or at least he didn´t fulfill it that fast), so Wenzel stood up against him, was arrested, but some noblemen freed him and revolted to. In the end Sigismund gave up (after around one year) and went back to Hungaria (his Kingdom) because there were revolts too.

EDIT: This post is not meant to be fully accurate but only to give a rough outline of this conflict

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#13

ill have to have a read up on the conflict then

#14

You just have to look for Wenzel the Idle, I think you´ll find all the informations you are looking for ^^

#15

Well it depends. :smiley: It depends on what you will regard as historical and what as fictional. Generally speaking the settings of this game is based on a real conflict that preceded the Hussite wars viewed as a war for Bohemian crown between two sons of Charles IV. and between bohemian aristocracy and foreign dynasties. It can be perhaps compared to the War of two Roses or the conflict between Elisabeth the Usurper :smiley: and Mary Stuart.

I would argue there are good stories that don’t surprise you at all. (In fact all stories can be divided into few basic categories and you often somehow know how it will end.) I would argue that the suspense is more important than surprising moments which can be quite strong if used well admittedly.

#16

It would be great if we can play against Ottoman invasion in some future act!

There are many options to take part in the battles fought by Bulgaria and Serbia to retain their independence in the end of 14th century and the beginning of the 15th.

Take part in the crusade of Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund against Ottomans in 1396 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigismund,_Holy_Roman_Emperor

Or maybe join the first Bulgarian uprising http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uprising_of_Konstantin_and_Fruzhin

Or maybe assist the next crusade against Ottoman in 1444 by Polish-Hungary king Wladislaw III http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Varna

The time period of Early 15th century in Eastern Europe is full of suitable background to make a Deliverance themed game for battles against Ottoman invasion.

#17

I was just thinking if they did a future version set in the hundred year war where you were an Englishman that lives in France with his French wife and children prior to the English invasion then become stuck between siding. With the English and his homeland or siding with the French and his new life and family and the player gets to chose between the two and with either choice you’re forced to make tough decision that could lead to your family coming to harm as you build a reputation within the army you side with and you’re given a village or a town for your service to either crown to oversee and you have to fend off maybe one or two large attacks . Just a idea . But if built upon would make an amazing game

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#18

Well, Varna would be good but I would definitely prefer to play FOR the Ottomans. They were about to become the most impressive nation of the “european theatre” (maybe outside of Italy). In the age of religious wars between christians the Ottoman empire in fact cultivated religious freedom and a distinctive form of humanism.
Alas the rule of Suleiman Kanuni ended in the worst way possible - in the way the rule of most great enlightened rulers ends, in quarrels of sultan’s sons and general disruption. Then again I would always prefer Ottoman Empire of Suleiman to the Jagiellonians and especially to the reactionary Habsburg empire, one of the most disgusting regimes ever.
But I would definitely like to play for the Greeks/Italians of Constantinople. :slight_smile: Lot of possibilities for ingenious happy ends.

#19

Yes, I can see your point of view.
Unfortunately, as a person whose nation has suffered greatly from the hands of Ottomans, I would never play for them but would love to play against them instead.
Nonetheless, this time period is awesome for making a game like Deliverance.

#20

'm Not always the major role players, KCD will remain an exception out of curiosity.
For larger conflict then missing the strategic element, I mean. Presumably, the period is already by the larger area must be longer. If I imagine, for years than any blacksmith to eke out my existence - rather not. Under the title of baron is not to do with me. :wink:

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