Fifteen hours into Hardcore and I'm ready to get my map markers on the compass back

But why do you need to find all these locations in the first place? The treasure maps are all perfectly easy to use to navigate - most of these locations have a little path leading to them anyway, and anything else is supposed to be about random chance anyway. Henry is not going around the world thinking, “My sixth sense is telling me that there is a grave somewhere deep in these woods with lots of cool stuff buried in it.” If he finds such grave, cool, but if he doesn’t, he won’t miss it.

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Hey there, just wanted to add my grain of salt… Hope I will not being bashed to… well anyway.

I’ve played the game before hardcore got out, not my fault, well yes it is, but eh. Thing is I’ve learn the map and some of the things in the game just by playing, without really thinking about remembering it because, well because I’ve learn ? Thing is, I’ve started a new game in hardcore and was super eager to try all the new feature and mostly the without compass and waypoint thing, because that was advertised.

Thing is, yes I know the general map and some of the poi somewhere in my mind, not my fault I’ve played the game before. As much as I would want to experience the game for the first time and explore the wolrd, I can’t. I can’t forget everything in the game, at least I’ve did not explore every aspect of the game in my previous playthought so I can still explore some part of it.

If you, dear reader, have remarked the word “explore” was emphases, it’s because for me, what’s the most important is the exploration. One thing that I’ve tried to refrain me doing in my first playthought was to turn the game from an exploration game, to a fetch the next marker game. I did literally pass beside some superb landmark, encounter, or event POI by cutting in deep in the wood with my eye stick on the marker in the compass. Anyway.

Yes the “reveal the marker zone” is quite small, I did not experiment on the distance required to reveal it, but yeah about 2 meter seem somewhat right. But, I can see with my eye over 2 meter. It’s called exploration, you have to explore the game to find what you need, of course you’ll not find it in 30 second. Maybe 1h ? Maybe 5 min if you’re lucky. That’s what make the game. I mean you can see the bird nest in the tree on the other side of the road without “seeing” it with your compass. You can see the chest half hided in the ground if you stop 30 sec and look carefully. As for exploring the deed wooded area, it’s all about exploring slowly one part of the time until you know the forest by heart. Oh and yes it’s gonna be long, that why this feature is there, it to make the game longer.

Oh oh ! I’ve just remembered an anecdote ! You can pass this if you want as it’s not part of my point, but maybe to give an inside of how I feel. I remember in my first playthought I had to search for something, I don’t remember the specyfic object but it was for the accident of the cathedral, a skull I think. But thing is, the game did not gave me the exact marker, and instead game me the zone marker. Great, a bit of exploring I’ve said ! I’ve searched for like an hour or so until I’ve quit the game before I was angry of not finding it. Few day later I’ve returned playing the game with a peaceful mind and I could not find it again, so… yes… I’ve cheated and did go search on the internet… Eh I’m not perfect I admit it. Still… I can still say that the game was too easy. Now of course I was satisfy at the exact moment, but now… I’m sad I’ve passed beside a great challenge. So now the no compass point is like yeah, it force me to really explore the game (at least what I’ve not already found in previous playthought).

So thing is hardcore mode is, well yes for hardcore, making the game more difficult, less forgiving, and part of it is having to search literally for hours for one thing. And eh, it’s even written in the game itself : “More realistic. Recommended for players who are familiar with the essentials of combat and survival in the world of Kingdom Come: Deliverance.”. For me, exploring getting to know your barring and finding stuff is what make a “real” (for video game anyway) survival experience.

By the way I’ve complained before in another post (few month ago) about how the game is to easy and wanted to have a more challenging game, like not having marker and compass at all. (Will search for it after this comment: How to make KCD actually feel more realistic) I’ve suggested even more hardcore thing that I still wish in the game, but I know it would not be for everyone. I want my ass be beaten my way out. Even if I feel that the combat is more challenging now in hardcore I still found some way of beating everyone with a bit more patience than before…

The last bit could be a bit harsh, I’m sorry, but if the game actually is not enjoyable for you, dear reader, well… no one is forcing you to play. I mean, not go away and don’t try to make a better game for you. I know some of my wishlist I will try to mod it when mod will be officially supported to make my game. But sometime, a game is just not enough at our taste, and sadly, the last option we left is to say, well, maybe another game will. I know I’ve stopped playing some game because it wasn’t hardcore enough.

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exactly mate. they can play another game with an easier learning curve

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I’m navigating in the wilderness without major problems. Yes, sometimes I have no clue where I am but in common case it is ok. Even if I have to find a grave or something I’m using sun direction and reference points like trees, buildings, stones, bridges, turns etc. I don’t get your point because I realy can’t understamd what is your problem.

Oh, well, I’ve just found something interesting about your… hm sickness? Sorry, no offense, but some people have a troubles with navigating.
Topographagnosia

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He reckons learning the map is cheatting. i mean what the actual…

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Generally working without a map marker is fine for me. There are a few occasions when you are moved automatically by the game - which doesn’t cause as much of a problem as it could have.
Plenty of visual clues as well as the sun and stars working as they should!
It is good that the map stays zoomed in and scrolled to where you left it.
I love the extra immersion brought about by the lack of “fast(!) Travel” and not having your position marked.
I do agree that tracking down a grave or similar that you have just “discovered” is something of a pain and that there are elements of the game that seem to be frustrating just for the sake of it.
Anyway, good luck.
A bit off-topic, but since were talking “Hardcore”, the “tis a scratch” trophy does not appear to be working (version 1.6 ps4)… I just wish I’d read that before my last playthrough!

That’s why the Neanderthals died out.

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I played around in gimp. This restores all the markers and NSEW, spaces out the status icons on the bottom like they were with a bar.

My personal experience with Hardcore was not so frustrating for me though I do admit having just “north” on your compass would have helped a lot. I did notice the compass sort of still work and the bigger lines on it still represent north, west, east and south and you can use that as long as you properly know witch way one of the directions are and if you stop at like a road crossing or some buildings one can usually determine pretty well which line on the compass represent which direction and this really helps finding stuff at least during day time. During the nights and in the woods properly knowing which way was where was almost hopeless so I stooped trying and went to sleep somewhere till morning instead soon enough. Quite a realistic outcome actually.
Don’t run around alone in the woods at night if you wanna try find something that might not have big obvious for miles landmark just on top of it. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I still don’t find it really difficult, I’ve always had a good sense of direction. The longest I spent looking for something was at night and took me like 10-15 minutes… If you start running aimlessly in the woods then yes you are not going to find what you are looking for, but if you are careful and are aware of your surroundings then no its not difficult.

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Have you played the game before though? I started brand new on hardcore last night and while I have been okay exploring I can see where the OP is coming from. I don’t know where any of the landmarks are yet so I’ve been keeping to paths otherwise I’ll most likely get lost. I feel as though a compass wouldn’t break the hardcore nature of the mode.

I played the day it came out to March, and picked it back up after the DLC came out. When I started back up I knew the rattay area no problem, but had to learn the rest. At first I thought it was going to be challenging but after a few hours it just got easier and easier. The map is detailed and as you start coming across interesting sights, graves etc. it gets fairly easy to navigate using them as a reference even deep in the woods. I don’t go looking for the landmarks, I just come across them and use them to my advantage. As for what he is talking about the markers not being discovered when near them I have not had that issue and I am not sure what he is talking about. It’s not hard to run up to say a building or woodland garden etc. and discover it within 5 seconds. That has to be the last thing I would complain about.

I think a lot of gamers have shown with KC:D that they’re jsut selfish (including the original poster).

Why? because since the start the devs of KC:D have all been about a hard game, where you have to think and strategize. We originally had a weird save system which I liked, it made me strategize instead of just hitting the F5 key constantly. People complained and they took it away. Now we have hardcore mode with all other changes that people like me love; and yet again people complain. Since the begining, the idea has been to make a game for those who hate the hand holding, who want to get lost, who hate just going from marker to marker in almost a straight line, etc. And peoplle that do like that type of thing or doesn’t know anything else want to change it. Yes, very selfish. It may be that there’s less of us who love all these things; but let us have our game please, or mod it for yourself as KC:D is the exception not the rule.

This is the change I would make (or the mod I’d use): I’d add a compass item that can be bought in only the big merchants. It costs a base of 300+ and the only thing it does is add the N to the compass and makes markers appear at a slighty bigger radius. That’s all you need really.

They did not have compasses, at least not the average person. Sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Look at the time then look at the sun. At night the moon is generally to the south.

Yeah, that actually works. And works well.

The game already offer a map in harcode, literally you just need a compass but how? This differ from person to person in a sense how a normal being would do if lost actually in a forest. The best way to search for POI is between dawn or dusk, so you know where the sun is in the east or west then move to the direction you wish to head of. “Use your head man, you loose everything…” - Ledetchko Player

Ugh guys it’s just a video game…

This works till the midnight when somehow the star drifts to East (shown on normal mode for obvious reason) so after 2am it is more NE

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Using the sun and landmarks to find your way around is pretty easy. No need to add N to the compass when you already get told where E, S, and W are.

Why would you even bother searching for things in the dark when you can just drink some Cockrel potions and just skip time until 5 am when the sun comes back up.

I couldn’t agree more. To be completely honest, I purchased this game on a whim and played for a few before trading it back in. I simply did not understand that the game is expecting of your efforts as a player. I watched some videos and it reignited the flame. Go figure, it took a month to have sent to me here in the states. At this point, it is a masterpiece to me. I never knew a game could be so great. It made rdr2 and skyrim seem incredibly small and simple. I can never go back.

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