hello,
I play at 1440p On a mixture of High and medium settings on an I5 7600k and a GTX 1060 6GB with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM. After about 9 hours in game i average 50 FPS with 1% lows of 40. Yet people are saying they are having issues on a 1070 at 1080p. Am i missing something?
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some of us don’t have high HP cpu systems. the game is very CPU intensive use game. If you don’t have the right set the CPU becomes the bottleneck.
How many cores and threading do you have? I have 4 of each. 6-8 core are recommend for better performance along with 8-12 threading.
I have a decent but not top line GPU.
Do you you have DD4 mem sticks? I have DDR3
at best I do my screen native of 1920x1080 at mostly medium settings.
@Whitedragem will go into more detail.
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Context.
(And total system performance; KCD requires strong subsystems to FEED the graphics card)
Peiple on 1070/1080s complaining were often talking aboit a specific building model (reused throughout the game) that bombs performance to 20s.
I run ultra plus settinga (fully maxxed out), my rig is a few years old and midrange (enthusiast) even then…
I net 50 averages (generally 55, but if I hang in Ratay I am lowing around 40, generally 45).
That building that drops performance has me south of thirty every time when NOWHERE ELSE in the game will I go so low.
Building is the first shop in Skalitz… the one that gamers complained about the ‘alley beside it’ having poor performance/dropping to 20s… (since launch).
When game launched it had better issues to sort than ONE dodgy building model, but now is the time to have it fixed!
The other thing is many gamers who cash up and throw lots of money on uber high end rigs might not understand their toy.
Expecting every game to run the same and not understanding that 4K isnt really in the realm of everyday gaming (some games, sure- heck I run life is strange in 4k with heavy antialiasing)(just cause I can), but a modern game that hits hard generally might need scaling back the res (1400 or 1080) just to run fluid.
Seeing KCD run as a slideshow at 1400p vs smooth at 1080- I know what I would choose.
(KCD gameplay changes around 40fps where it become fluid and arcadey like dragons dogma; I target 45fps lows.)
Those gamers complaining their gtx1080 isnt good enough for this game are either comparing it against much simpler fames and expecting similar framerate or they havent got an equal system build and something else is holding them back.
I’d recommend an intel 5920k and x99 platform as a starting point.
Few years old now and fairly easy second hand find.
Mine set me back 300$ (aus) with 16Gb quad channel RAM and the official intel watercooler.
The 5920k has six cores and twelve threads.
Games being made for the largest demographic (consoles), which is made up near exclusively of 8 core cpus (albeit very weak ones),… pc gamers, going forward, will want 6+ cores.
Even the best four core cpus seem to really hold back KCD
I sold off my 3770k that ran up to 5Ghz to upgrade to my ‘lowly’ 3ghz six core 5920k.
In most games the 3770k would newter my replacement processor, and then KCD comes along…
Selling off my old machine with its impressive sounding metrics is easy and given consumers buy based on numbers… grabbing a cheap second hand xeon or system like mine is easy. Most bypass them believing they NEED better.
The best thing about buying older top end parts is they generally prove more reliable than new cheaper parts.
I take reliability over knocking a few minutes off a several hour video encode any day (in a non production environment- if you make a living off your IT: spend whatever you want on it…)
My ‘older’ platform is probably fairly similar to what KCD was built on…
Game has been nearly flawless in rendering to the screen. Even on my paultry amd fury (not x variant or nano), again, easy second hand find that blows this game out of the water.
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used maket must be different and more ready then around me in the USA. used? where in my neck of the woods? Ebay? is there a used online site? what would be better than mine since you know it.
I saw a i7-8700k with a GTX 1080 only averaging 50-59fps at 1080p ultra, with at times getting down to 30fps.
I still feel like the optimization of this game is not good enough.
High end systems should be able to run this game better.
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That is exactly the sirt if post we are talking about.
How often and where are the drops to 30s?
I understand than nvidia might be having a hard time optimising for this game, but my amd fury AT BEST equates near a 1070 (generally around 1400 res due to the HBM memory on my card).
1080s should be 20% cleanly above me.
Why would nvidia have a harder time with this game?
AMD focus on raw performance and their driver development teams have nothing like the assets/power of nvidia.
Nvidia changed their architecture with Fermi (think geforce 400 series) to a mix of their long shaders and short shaders (what amd was doing).
It was probably a competitive move as at that time in the war of the video card companies AMD offered huge numbers of shaders (fast becoming what consumers were looking at to define how powerful a card was), and nvidia shaders ‘did more per pass’
It was like 3x more shaders on an amd card was equal to nvidia numbers (dont quote me I couldnt care to remember, nor do a fact check), prior to fermi.
Fermi went with a mix of ling and short shaders and it made the cards sound way more impressive than the gen before.
Sadly it required driver development to allocate to the shaders and optimise on a per game basis.
This of course became a selling point for nvidia through that period… many techs quoting just how great/optimised for thier game their nvidia card was.
AMD drivers would net more and more game performance over time, but consumers compare graphs of new release products, and AMD was still playing by the old rules of optimise the older cards for games (they need it the most), and let the raw performance of new parts ‘brute force’ it until they can get around to optimising those parts.
Nvidia had a feather in its cap with the now requisite driver optimisation the NEEDED to do.
(Many flamewars between red and green team)
That same driver focus is how they gimp last years parts presently.
Sending data to the right sized shader means more usable shaders (less redundancy), its probably in the ballpark of 10-20% performance (depending on software titles utilisation of shaders, naturally).
Now nvidia makes tight optimisation for their new products and magically fail to get around to last years parts. (It sells more new cards and often has mid level/entry level cards outpunching their own high end parts from months earlier…)
They have done this for several generations now.
A lot of us gamers caught them out with the Witcher 3 (not just for their highly anticompetitive hairworkx software blackbox)(yes I know all about aegia and physx aquisition- I dont need schooling about any of this).
With the witcher 3 many isers found their top of the line gtx780s really slip in performance vs the amd equivalent part.
Eventually nvidia apologised and noted it had ‘overlooked some optimisations’, but since then they have pulled the dame antic consistantly.
Ita their new business model to sell new parts to the uber rich and have them upgrade more frequently.
PC hardware sales is a small slice of the pie, so they gotta keep flogging parts.
Could nvidia be having issues when their ‘raw power’ comes from tight optimisation on a title like KCD that hits shaders hard? Absolutely.
Might Warhorse still be swapping up how they are doing things and therefor throw nvidia products into a cycle of needing a quick checkup for optimal usage in KCD, maybe.
What I do know is that my amd fury, against nvidia parts is grabbing much higher benchmark spots in this title than it normally nets against the same lineupnof cards.
That would suggest some truth to what I am saying.
Also might just be rpgs develop for a lil longer and KCD is happy with a 4GB video card(@1080 res) in ways that modern games and douchebag studios using Microshafts tactic of making games have 5Gb of textures (so PCs dont flog their console to death and get held up by anticompetitive market decisions…)
Arrgh I am ranting- need breakfast…
@longshot300 - generally avoid ebay. Bargains arent going to be same as what you will find locally. I have advantage of buying and selling second hand most of my life and being a hardware/software student.
Second hand can be tricky- generally you want to buy from an honest seller with a legitimate reason for moving on (eg the mass migration to ryzen presently happening).
Knowing about tech helps. Not all mhz are created equal. Xeon and x99 platform is a great place to start.
Keeping it simple I have done the highly unusual here and given a specific system to look for (x99 with a 5920/5930 and quad channel ram)
It isnt worth a whole pc rotate for one game, generally.
Do you have a local trading post paper - if it has annonline presence- send me their address and I will let you know when a bargain comes up…
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Dude I’ve saved tons of money buying components off ebay.
not that I know of. cars, trucks, boats, heavy equipment ya.
so last gen ryzen could be had for cheaper?
Yes…
But server class hardware (eg x99) has a lot going for it.
The motherboard that my setup sits on is worth more than I paid for my parts. I basically got a half price mainboard (2 years old) with 1000$ of bits on it.
I wouldnt worry about ddr3 vs 4 per se.
Anygiven mainboard and chip can yield different bandwith from parts.
Crucial/micron is great early mem chips that look ugly but perform well (supply the chips to many of the big dogs who charge 3x the price for the same parts in a nice heatspreader or pcb colour).
With exception of open world games memory is one of the least important parts to overpay for as it yields few benefits for 60hz gaming with standard software.
Memory prices are gigh at the moment so stick with what you have.
The real cost is time.
Time researching. Buying. Building. Installing and setting up. And then getting to know ‘the beast’, and optimising it…
I wouldnt recommend hardware neophytes and newbies to take on the challenge. Its best done with a friend. (Eg.I love making battlefield builds for my postal worker and mining industry buddies)
Ryzen first run second hand is a great example of what people may move on from- but it is a budget platform in the first place- the discount for second hand can only go so far, and cheap oarts second hand is a dodgy proposition.
My only issue with ebay is that wvery man and their dog checks it so real bargains xan prove fewer and far between.
And the bargains on ebays can be from hell dodgy sellers (i had ebay tell me to cancel a transactuon on a high end video card once, and my bank wouldnt do it… the seller ended up posting a brick and an ancient early 90s graphics card - not worth fifty cents…,… the account was legitimate with much positive feedback, but digital is a place for criminals.)
My local online trader advertises heavily to make sure you meet the seller (to many scammers asking for posted items not paying).
There wasnt a lot of processors for your existing mainboard to switch up to (above your 870k), but that path allows most steps above to be avoided.
Your aftermarket cooler on a slightly better chip would be the best bang for buck ratio if time is in any way valuable.
The main benefit of a new platform would be to make another PC. Then you have something to fall back on (or sell). Id suggest keep your best SSD. Buy a new case and powersupply (or second hand with all the other bits)… and go a second system.
Destroying something that works isnt always ideal and can lead to cursing if the ‘new’ build fails…
The best thing about buying second hand is the passion the last user put in.
Eg my last 3770k buy was from a military engineer who worked with power.
The power supply in the system was worth the total second hand asking price…
It was like getting a case/cpu/mainboard/ram/video card and several drives all for ‘free’.
If you wanted to spend $1000 on a hobby enthusiast pc like mine - its very doable- but as hobbies go we need value from them
My present platform is around an 800$ build and it will deliver for many years.
I attribute most of its cost to the silent case and cooling setup. Home theatre is my passion and I hate fan noise.
Turning my pc on makes No Sound. Under heavy gaming load my video card fans spin up to 1400rpm and make a slight noise. Masked nearly by ambient room ‘echo’. Certainly by any sound. Traffic 500metres away with all my windows and doors closed makes more sound.
Quiet PC would be a project that nets something new ir different…
What project goal or usage needs do you have in mind?
If its gaming and entertainment x99 bargain would prove very reliable (and relative overkill) for next five years or so.
Reckon we will find it around $400 given enough time.
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thankyou for the response
it was helpfull
adarsh