Let's talk anachronisms

Hopefully you guys are familiar with the term - An anachronism is a thing placed in a time which it doesn’t belong in: either because it hadn’t been thought of yet, or is outdated. Like a movie about WWII where everyone is using swords and bows (Unless you are “Mad Jack” Chuchill :stuck_out_tongue: ). This post is for anyone to post any anachronisms common in modern cultural depictions of the medieval period, which people might not even realize are anachronisms. I’ll start off with one which I’ll admit is pretty darn pedantic!


Buckets 'n Barrels

This is something I noticed while browsing the ‘Coopers’ section of larsdatter.com. Up until quite recently (about 150 years), barrels and other cooperage products were primarily bound with wooden instead of metal hoops. The change to metal hoops was a result of iron becoming much cheaper to produce during the industrial revolution. Metal hooped barrels did exist before the industrial revolution, but archaeology seems to tell us that they were initially tied to social status. A good summary of the history of cooperage is the article ‘Change and Diversity Within Traditional Cooperage Technology’ by Brad Loewen, in the Material Cultural Review journal (volume 36, 1992). Some pics to spice things up!

One of many medieval barrels found in Odense, Denmark, which had been reused as latrines. They date from the 1300’s. The hoops were traditionally made out of hazel, and tied with osiers. Below is a more intact barrel from a 1622 Spanish shipwreck, showing the traditional method of tying the hoops.

http://www.nuernberger-hausbuecher.de/75-Amb-2-317-11-v/large

And lastly a drawing from 1425 in the Mendel Hausbuch, showing a cooper at work putting on some wooden hoops. The Mendel Hausbuch has many other depictions of coopers, as does the ‘Coopers’ section at larsdatter.com which I linked above.


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This classic morion helmet is usually linked to the Spanish Conquistadors in the new World. The thing is that it was not in use by the time Henan Cortes conquered Mexico and neither when Pizarro conquered the Inca empire. It was only introduced to the Spanish infantry around the time of their deaths.

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dushkin, how is that relevant?

Well, it IS an anachronism, even if it isn’t exactly a Medieval one.

oh, the topic category is wrong then. i thought this was game relate.

Wow… today in the morning, I decided to open exactly such a thread! What a remarkable coincidence! Here my first point:

Burning Witches
Witch persecution in a larger scale began only in the 16th century and later. The German word “witch” first appears around 1400 in Switzerland. during the middle ages witchcraft was a “normal” crime like stealing. Like that, it gets punished depending of the case. Often it was only a monetary penalty, up to death penalty (mostly hanging) when someone was killed from those witchcraft, for instance. Witches were not always women! Burning people who doing witchcraft was an ancient practice in pre-christian times. In the middle ages it was prohibited! That had changed after combining heresies with witchcraft in the 15th cent. Heretics were burnt till the high-medieval time. There were some “few” witch persecutions around 1420-30 in Switzerland ordered by the pope, but that was probably linked with fighting against the first protestantism uprisings. But most of the time the catholic church was against witch persecution and illegalized it! The Spanish inquisition refuses witch persecution. Only at the very last decade of the middle ages 1484-1486 the infamous anti-witches books were written and the big witch persecutions began in the glorious renaissance, not in the so called “dark ages”!

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@213 It’s not in the wrong category, as @Ambaryerno pointed out while it is an anachronism (and an interesting one. I didn’t know that!), it isn’t relevant to the aim of this post. This was supposed to be for setting specific anachronisms.

@loksley Interesting contribution! As they say, great minds think alike :wink:

This guy on youtube has lots of videos on this very subject. He points out where movies got it wrong. You might like this.

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Yeah i’d like to add something to it. The whole Church against heretics, scientists etc etc. only really started around 1400. Before that most scientific findings where actually supported by the Church since they were the only international organ that had access to old literature (in Latin) and the time and money to read it and conduct experiments.

One could argue it started properly at the start of the 16th century, with Martin Luther’s reform the Church did all they could to eradicate criticism. Surely, other christians like the Albigens/Cathars didn’t survive the 12th century, but it really kicked in with Luther/Calvin/Henry VIII chewing off at the church’s credibility.

I believe Cathars are still around.

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You are right with Luther’s church reform, but don’t forget that in protestant areas at least as many witches (male and female) were burned, as in catholic areas. For instance: In the direct reach of power of the pope, there were the fewest witch trials at all. I think it was a combination from destabilization of religious thinking, superstition, changin of the old standards, war, plagues, weather-catastrophes from the “little ice-age” with bad harvest, fanaticism, and in some cases clearly a way to remove a disliked neighbor or opponent. In most cases it was a very local, hysterical and fanatical uprising.

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Some more:

Education: The people in the middle ages did not believe the earth was flat. Since ancient times it was known that the earth is a sphere. The idea of the stupid, ignorant inhabitants of the medieval world haunts for centuries through history books, textbooks and novels. In reality, any serious medieval scholars knew of the sphericity of the Earth. Also for poets and merchants, monks and priests of this knowledge was a matter of course, as numerous sources confirm. Not least of orb as a symbol of power of the Holy Roman Empire shows which image the people at that time made themselves from the world.

Size: The idea that medieval people were physically small is now widely disproved. Studies of skeletons in the last decades have shown that medieval people were about the same size as Europeans in the early 20th century.

Prudery: Prudery is not a typical hallmark of the middle-ages not even of humanism 'and the modern era, but the emergent bourgeois revolution. There were the commoners, who began to introduce new sexual-morals in the 18th century to stand out from the “decadent” nobility. Other sources also often speak of the “protestant prudery” of the 16 cent onwards.

The great plague: According to the latest findings in genetics was the pathogen that was responsible for the late medieval pandemic 1347-1353 at that time a newly formed strain of Yersinia pestis. It is now believed that the extreme virulence of the medieval Yersinia type is related with lack of immunity of the population (which in new and aggressive pathogens often the case) and the unfavorable social conditions. “Lack of hygiene” and “lack of medical knowledge” therefore were not the sole causes of the pandemic. Because it was a previously unknown disease, the scholars were at first perplexed and there was panic in the European population.
Maybe important for KDC: the great plague did not really reach Prague and wide areas of Bohemia. It is right that during the great plague-waves of the 14th century approximately 30% of the European people died. But in the area of the “German Empire” (from witch Bohemia was an important part) it was “only” 10%. But this enormous catastrophe was not only a reason for fear and superstition, but also for an increased need of “joy of life” for the people and a growing free minded thinking.

Poor, hungry, slavelike farmers: The image of the rural farmers in ragged clothing became popular mostly through films about the middle Ages. In fact, the life of the lower classes was less of privation as is often assumed today. The average meat consumption per head was in the middle ages about seven times as high as in Central Europe in the 19th century and is still higher than at the beginning of the 21st century. During the medieval warm period harvest failures were much less common than in later centuries what leads to the social and technological progress and the expansion of settlement areas in that time. There were at all times the possibility of shortages (e.g. hunger in late winter), a permanent famine cannot be proved in the middle ages.

Living was very hard: There were a large number of religious holidays in the middle ages, where the people were not working. Depending on the source, there were about 70-100 days off a year including Sundays. Many of these holidays were the cause of exuberant celebration.

Slavery: Unfree farmers were no slaves! There was a complex system of rights and duties, giving and taking.

Colours: The middle ages were colorful! Clothing was very important. “Clothes make the man”. There were many ways to dye fabric. Some of them were very expensive, but many relatively cheap or for free. If you know how, you can also dye at home. Even leather, furs and food were dyed. The churches were not white like today, but mostly painted (for our modern taste) extremely colorful. Colorless and undyed or “natural” was considered ordinary and cheap.

Horsesize: Warhorses and/or farm horses were not that big as we think. Archaeological findings show that their average height was somewhat around 1,40m. The expensive horses were higher than the rural ones. Nowadays we would call a horse smaller than 1,48m a pony! The biggest warhorses they found were around 1,45m-1,55m at the max, which comes up with e.g. old Spanish horse-races. Modern sport horses are up to around 1,80m and that really big draft-horses are mostly breedings from later centuries.

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