I’m less cynical about their motive than their ability to resist rolling out grand but incomplete products
A Korean gamer-reviewer played KCD for a few-several months. He said something to the effect that KCD is great if you like eating raw pizza. A little harsh… but there’s an element of truth to the sentiment. Spend a little more time and finish the product up and KCD and ashes would be sublime.
Personally would rather spend $20 on fully baked pizza than $10 on a raw or half baked one
I feel the same. But for me is intriguing the motives behind so many disappointments, both in the base game and this DLC.
One thing is very true, the potential that this game have. If the game was 100% finished it would be the best game of the decade in my opinion. But as the time passes this potential lowers, and launching a disappointing DLC without the base game finished feels like a dick move to me.
He wasn’t given a village, he was given a burnt out place.
i can´t understand, why the city is absolutely safe - there are no bandit or cumanian attacks - i built a watchhouse. I have guards and archers running around and nothing happens. Realism or not, i thought, the wolrd is in a civil war, but it seems to be completely peaceful, except some small bandit or cuman camps. So, from the ashes would be a great reason to implate attacks, more war in the wild etc. story said, the cuman where mercenaries who are paid with raids and looting. but where are they? c´mon, first minutes in game and you´ll see the big army outside of your town - later in game, u only see a few of them, somewhere in the woods inside a small camp or in ambushes. FtA should bring more war and management into the game. Recruit guards, equip them (i have a smith - he can create weapons and armors …), defend your town, call for backup, pay for your townguards, and a lot more stuff would be great. The DLC would have had a lot of potential. And why are there no more horsemen in the world? i am the only one, riding on a horse around… and there are no pedestrians… its a long way to real realism.
It was said Henry is 27 years old 
But didn’t Henry do so much until then? Wiped out bandit camps alone, finding the culprits and so on?
Much more then the ordinary bailiff… So he imho deserves a reward in form of a home for himself (and mabe a family of his own)
Also I’m pretty sure back then it wasn’t unheard of. 27 was probably a ripe old age for a person who was going into battles alot.
Just as i said. In truth all of the game would have had a lot of potential, but many things was wasted i think this is because of the low budget for making the game. Another thing is that there is no wolves in the woods and no aggressive animals in the game. In 1403 the forests are so peaceful and the only peril was a cumman or bandit camp? Nonsense to my taste.
Sorry, i had no idea, thanks for clarify.
@Vinicius: The average life span of the central European was 33.5 yrs. getting to 45-50 you were very lucky and considered very old. Getting through Childhood was a great challenge.
So Henry in the game isn’t a boy.
Yeah, I’ve mentioned before that the story, as it is written, would make more sense if Henry was 16-18. But then we wouldn’t have the immediate options for boozing and wenching.
You are of course correct but when one looks at statistics like average lifespan etc one needs to take some things into consideration. The average lifespan you mention here also counts the many infants dying at birth or at a very early age, so it is fair to say that those managing to reach adulthood most probably reached a higher age than the average lifespan. In many cases way older than the average lifespan since it is needed to get the equation correct in regards to all those children dying before they even reach the age of five. In fact studies have been made in many medieval European societies that shows that if one reached the age of 21, the lifespan would be greatly increased. The average for a person for instance in England in the 15th century if they managed to reach 21 years old, the average lifespan would increase to 64.
But yes, Henry is definitely a man by any and every definition and not a boy. He would be seen as an adult in any late medieval society.
By the narrative of the story i got the impression that Henry was 18~25 years old because all of the NPCs talk to him like he was a boy and a infant entering in adulthood.
I’m from Portugal by the way, and here in the middle ages a boy was considered an adult by 15 years old and a girl by 12.
But all of these talking goes away from the topic at hand that’s it the From the Ashes DLC and the various opportunities that have been lost. Because for me this DLC was fun but frustrating, so many things could be improved/implemented.
In this stage of the DLC i do not recommend the purchase to anyone. Money throwed by the window. The fun that i had playing it do not correspond to the value in money.
And therin lies the rub.
We want to support the studio, but if we let the way be paved with accepting incomplete and ill thought out products; then we can certainly expect more of them.
Whilst I havent overtly roasted them for this DLC cashgrab, it is the massive ‘what the…’ it makes me feel that has me discuss it.
Given my love for their product and general praising stance for the studio- they are starting to make me question what they are doing.
Previously I had trust.
For a paultry bit of coin they choose to throw trust away is maddening.
In business, customer goodwill can easily add 10% value to the company (this metric is from the early nineties, before warehouse stores and cheapening products).
Modern business world acknowledges that we cannot compete on product or price, but SERVICE (not the video game industry obviously, where ‘product’ is what you live and die by).
Throwing away goodwill for less than 10% take is a sure fire downward spiral.
On reflection they may say ‘was it worth it’?
Cost to rebuild consumer trust? Priceless. (Mastercard add tagline)
That’s exactly how i feel about WH and KC:D at this moment. They are saying about this DLC that it was a “player community request” so like angels as they are, they throw in our faces this DLC with false promises, but in the end we are frustrated in a overpriced DLC compared to the content that it brings. A easy “money maker” for the cost of the trust we choose to have for WH and KC:D.
As you say Whitedragem, we end with a knife on our backs. We want to trust in WH, we want them to keep growing, we want KC:D to be improved and be the best game we ever play, but with this last “dick move” by WH they are loosing our trust indeed.
Has anybody rec’d acknowledgement from WH support relative to ashes feedback?
I haven’t. Sent feedback on the July 7th.
If WH is doesn’t make significant changes to ashes beyond adding a grindstone, I’ll continue to buy KCD DLC but my expectations won’t be very high
In my perspective, i will not buy anything from WH until i be sure of true value compared to the product, quality of it and achievement of my expectations in how fun and satisfied i could be with any other product from WH. In other words, i will deal with WH like any other developer like EA, Bethesda and others.
As for a feedback, how i can send one to WH too Frelmedieval? I have many things to say to them…
Thanks! 
Permit me to rephrase. A financial management system was created to cope with an excess of money. Solves a problem that didn’t really exist and …
You are 100% right. As i exposed in the original post, i have more them 100k in the trunk and no place or thing to spend. I have so much money that i exchange my horse 7 times…
If this DLC was really a well made house/financial management system we would need more buildings and services like a Tailor, Armorsmith, Swordsmith, Butcher, Bakery and Stables all together, with no limitations, each one having his own issues for us, as Bailif (or vassal of Sir Divish) to manage the best course of action.
I had some fun playing it, but my frustration exceed the fun and the money i paid for this DLC.
I will give some exemples and explain what could be implemented in such a great idea with so great potential, but so wasted in a mediocre DLC that in my opinion don’t have the same value in money that i just expended on it.
Adding to what was said above, a extended garrison with fortifications around the village, for protection against attempts of attacks from Cummans and Bandits that we will have to manage the defense, recruiting more guards and whatnot… The forests in the surroundings are crowded with Bandits and Cummans. Makes no sense that this village in the middle of a forest in the far north to be so peaceful. Bethesda Studios did a better job regarding this topic in the settlement building in Fallout 4 (and i don’t even like this game as i like KC:D).
And our very OWN house with all we need like furnishings, Library (a place to put our books), Alchemy laboratory, a Garden with some rare herbs and so on… Not a floor with some beds that random NPCs uses from time to time. Henry deserves his own house.
A Bath house would be necessary too, because when we build something, the time it takes make us filthy as a beggar.
Don’t forget the little combat zone were you can train with anything regarding combat, and every time i train there my armor is in rags and always after training i need to go to Rattay or Sasau to repair my padded armor because there is no Tailor in my village, because of that the combat zone is a complete waste, because you can train everything with Captain Bernard in Rattay, go inside the Town and repair all of your gear…
A extended Trader were we need to manage the selling of wood to the rest of Bohemia, with the need of good Stables with horses to make the deliveries. And for selling wood we would need to bargain around the towns to make a good and prosper trade.
After i finished the DLC i don’t even care about Pribyslavitz. If i go there again will be only to pick some money in the trunk that i don’t even need anymore at this point. Definitely is not my village or base of operations. I do prefer to stay in Rattay, sleeping with the pigs, because there i have all services i need.
If i, a Portuguese guy only, not a developer from WH could have so many ideas for a GOOD DLC with value, i wonder were was the head of the guy who designed this DLC… For God sake… Such potencial wasted in a crappy DLC that i paid for…
Make a good product WH, or if you can’t, then is better to do nothing and continue to work in patches to fix the base game that is not finished yet.
I’m a fan of the game, i really enjoy it, and i support Warhorse Studios to keep growing and making the best RPGs in the future, but this DLC feels like a stab in the back and i’m not the only one who feels the same… At this stage i do not recommend anyone to buy this DLC, is a waste of money and with this quality of content that WH put to sell for the fans and players of the game, they will loose them.
As for me, i will only buy anything from Warhorse Studios when i’m sure that i will not throw my money of the window.
I would be happy to pay 40 Euros for a DLC with those ideas that i posted…
