Nomads or Hungarians?

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nothing you provided goes against the depiction in the game. i am interested what is the initial point of your complaint? maybe i’m reading it wrong, but you initially said the faceplate wasn’t historically accurate, then you posted a lot of faceplates and said this is what they looked like, and they looked exactly like how it’s depicted in the game.

please post a list of your grievances without a bunch of pictures or links in a list format, i mean you’re all over the place, etchings from 1500s, illustrations from 1300s, etc.

[velizariy]

First, I will post known material: miniatures and objects of archeology. Then we can go to the comments already existing models. However, a series of mistakes I have already indicated above. Now I try to make a detailed overview of mistakes.

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Tomb near church in Ksengele (Hungary). Cumans 13.
http://opusztaszer.hu/rotunda/kiallitasok/100-a_csengelei_kunok_ura_es_nepe

Kunok a tűz körül

Armor - chain mail.
Reconstruction of a warrior.
https://www.antikvarium.hu/foto/a-csengelei-kunok-ura-es-nepe-934584-nagy.jpg

The complex from the Hungarian National Museum - 13th century.
https://picasaweb.google.com/107612122233386274334/XIVXV

Armor - chain mail possibly Shoulderplates. Expensive European belt. The weapon - a sword and a bow and arrows.

Reconstruction of helmets.

The end of 13 - beginning 14th century. Details are not known.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gvOiKSSjLuM/TSTc-rUE5hI/AAAAAAAAHSI/I4HJCi46Gpw/s640-Ic42/Image1.jpg
http://i046.radikal.ru/0907/1d/47406f1af739.jpg
http://i039.radikal.ru/0907/bf/0143025b48bc.jpg
http://mek.oszk.hu/09100/09175/html/images/139.jpg

http://mek.oszk.hu/09100/09175/html/8.html
Sabre 14th century, Hungary.

This is all what I know about arms Cumans in Hungary.

[velizariy]

http://forum.kingdomcomerpg.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/d/df749e8f5151ab08c6e07b86c8b99fbdba2a637d_1_452x500.jpg
a) Helmet.
Not found in Hungary, but known in the territory of influence of the Golden Horde. The dome of the helmet should look intact without external metallic strips. They were gilded (often). Expensive helmet.
How it should look like:
http://cs623222.vk.me/v623222812/3a686/LV-bY1sUhvc.jpg
Armor.
Mail-plate armor of the 15th century in Hungary is not known, but known in the territory of influence of the Golden Horde. See my post above. The plates are too big and very oddly placed.
Shield.
At the Hungarian Kumans no shields to pictures and not in graves. Discussion on the shields see above.
The figure shows the Indo-persian shields 18-19 century.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Indo-persian+shields&biw=1024&bih=597&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=XHyjVY-4EaiqywPNx7T4Dg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
weapons
The figure shows “Shamshir” - weapon 17-19 century. Perhaps the earliest iran’s examples date from the 16th century.
I’m not laid out materials on the swords, but can do it.
http://www.vikingsword.com/ethsword/shamshir/

b) Helmet.
Chernaya Mogila (Black Grave) type helmet - 10th. Not found in Hungary Half mask was not used here, chain mail should be attached to the half mask.
Armor.
The central circular plate superfluous.
Shield.
Same as above.

c) Helmet.
Not found in Hungary, but known in the territory of influence of the Golden Horde. The dome of the helmet should look intact without segments.
How it should look like:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8995/p1160386m.jpg
Why does he always closed? In peacetime, its position is:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4856/20882742983151706071853.jpg
Armor.
Better to leave only chain mail. Lamellar armor is very archaic for the period.
weapons
Same as above.

General comments.
A large number of soldiers in armor and helmets in the “Eastern bloc”. They should not be more than a quarter of the total. Meet in the woods two foot soldiers in expensive armor - it nonses. Swords are not correct for the “Eastern faction”. Their primary weapon - a bow and arrow. And they’re the cavalry.
About the clothes will tell later.

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• miniature
  http://www.warfare.altervista.org/Hungary.htm
  http://www.warfare.altervista.org/14/St-Ladislaus.htm

The Saint Ladislaus legend in All Saints’ Roman Catholic Church of Bijacovce (Szepesmindszent), Slovakia
The second half of the 14th or first quarter of the 15th century

The Saint Ladislaus legend in the Church of Rimavska Bana, Slovakia

The Saint Ladislaus legend in the Unitarian Church of Chilieni (Sepsikilyén), Romania
Late 14th century

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Another problem armor “Eastern bloc” is archaic helmets from the territory of influence of the Golden Horde.
For example, helmets with half-mask widely used in the 13th and the first half of the 14th century.
Article in Russian about this subject. Inside the map finds helmets of this type. The text of articles stands out and can be easily translated using Google Translator.
Helmet from Gorodets https://www.academia.edu/11180487/Helmet_from_Gorodets_Шлем_из_Городца_Батыр.%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B8%D0%B8._4-5.2014.%D0%A1._52-81

This is not the only helmet in the game has its roots in the Golden Horde. And he also is dated 13 - the first half of the 14th century.
Article in Russian about this subject. Inside the map finds helmets of this type. The text of articles stands out and can be easily translated using Google Translator.
On one type of helmets from nomadic burials of the western Desht-i-Kipchak - https://www.academia.edu/5019693/Об_одном_типе_шлемов_из_кочевнических_погребений_с_территории_Западного_Дешт-и-Кыпчак_On_one_type_of_helmets_from_nomadic_burials_of_the_western_Desht-i-Kipchak_Вестник_ННГУ_им.%D0%9D.%D0%98.%D0%9B%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE._%D0%A2._3._6.2012.%D0%A1._62-70

Last helmet is interesting that on its basis in the 15-16 centuries, created new types of helmets.

As simple helmets can use the following type:

This type of undeservedly forgotten.

[velizariy]

Chain mail in this period likely to a major protective armor. However, the game can also be used and its other types. For example chain mail outer coating of the cloth. This is a fairly common variant of protection.
For example, the Ottomans second half of the 15th century.

An example from Syria.

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About saber in English literature little of the material. Successful exception - article about saber 13-14 century. from National Museum of History, Sofia.
A Medieval Sabre and Knife from National Museum of History, Sofia https://www.academia.edu/9633335/A_Medieval_Sabre_and_Knife_from_National_Museum_of_History_Sofia

And the material of the early 15th century saber in the article:
Pisanello’s hat. The costume and weapons depicted in Pisanello’s medal for John VIII Palaeologus. A discussion of the saber and related weapons - http://gladius.revistas.csic.es/index.php/gladius/article/viewArticle/40

Another common type of weapons were mace. It can be seen on some of frescoes and miniatures above.

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About a bow and arrow this time I do not say anything. Although they are the main type of weapon “Eastern bloc”, in the game they are bad implemented. And wait for changes for the better is not necessary.
http://forum.kingdomcomerpg.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/4/47ba0796ff29ae7766354f21a4b9524e4da3550a_1_690x388.jpg

[Skoruligr]

Would you please try to be more concise?

[SirWarriant]

@velizariy Warhorse has their own historical advisor’s so i can’t see the armor being as unrealistic as you claim it to be.