When you are shooting for real a lot of your aiming is actually done with your foot positioning and your hips rather than your arms. And you know if you are at full draw by feel or putting your fingers in to a spot on your face. So maybe a tension bar or something similar is warranted because you get no feedback from a mouse. Crosshairs could go either way. A lot of archers shoot by gap aiming which is looking at how much space above the arrow the target is. Which is fine for shooting roughly level but not something you can do for clout shooting. You might need a crosshair or something for that.
(Sry for my english)
2- Well, I donât know how you draw the bow and what kind of them do you use, but at least with traditional low poundage bows(30-40p) , you need to control very well your breath to aim at long distances or to not quick shoot. Iâm not saying that is the same method for the guns, I just put the example of a FPS.
3- This is not fantasy, of course that the bowâs power, the type of arrow and the archer is determinant on how to calculate the drop curve but I remember you now that they arenât guns, you canât aim in beeline.
4- This is true too, maybe not at a Parkinson level as in the most of games, but if you pull too much time, you will suffer shakiness. And no matter how strong you are, a 150p bow will shake your body if you pull it for too long.
Anyway, I put some feasible ideas to translate the reality into the game without being too much simulator, and also not being casual as all the other games in the market.
If you have better ideas write them, is the only manner that @Warhorse can hear our demands and our wishes.
Shooting quickly and accurately can be done (at a high skill level I suppose) look at what this guy does.
Fast archery
I wish I could do this.
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Yeah, really impressive. There are amazing persons out there, but this technique is useless at long range targets.
Youâve kind of answered this point with #2, but with medieval archery â Iâm talking about #4 here â the bow should never be at the archerâs limit of draw weight.
Of course a 150p bow will make you shake, but the thing is, if an archer is using a bow of his/her maximum draw weight, the archer might be able to get off one or two shots at most, and thatâs it, he/sheâs spent. But what about the other 20+ arrows in his/her quiver? If the archer is using a bow thatâs too strong, and therefore can only fire two shots at most, he/she is counter intuitive and is no longer of use on the battlefield.
This is why an archer should never use a bow remotely close to his/her draw weight limit. It would tire him/her out.
So, as an example, if an archerâs draw weight limit were 150 pounds, he/she might want to use an 80 pound bow, maybe 90 or 100 if he/she is feeling bold, but the archer needs to fire multiple shots during combat in order to be effective on the battlefield, and using a 150 pound bow just wouldnât make sense.
Sorry if you already knew this, just thought Iâd bring it up in case you didnât and for the people who werenât aware of it.
I love that movie, the cat-mouse chase is intense and awesome.
He seemed to have a rather nice grouping shooting 69 meters. I know longer ranges are possible, but I wouldnât call this useless at long range. You might want to take your time trying to hit someone at that range with more certainty, but when shooting into an advancing army I think itâs pretty neat. Still the man is exceptional, not every decent archer in the game needs to be able to do that. Things are not necessarily realistic for a blacksmith to do in a game because one man in the world can do that now.
I agree with you here, and it should also be taken into account, that you cant really hold a medieval longbow drawn for an infinite amount of time, because it might just break under the force.
And regarding aiming, the heavy-draw warbows were mostly not shot in any precise way, large groups of archers were used to create a hail of arrows on the opponent.
When it was necessary to aim, i.e. while hunting, bows with much lighter draw weights were used.
Well guys I hope you read this, maybe i´ll try to write you personally too. I´m member of CSWBS, couple of people from czech republic and slovakia, we reenact war archery, which includes shooting bows over 100#, making arrows and other stuff, trying fire arrows, penetrating armors and etc. So we will be more than happy to share our knowledge with you, so the archery in game is as authenthic as possible, because the way how you draw high poundage bow is way different from modern archery.
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He is using a modern bow that is no way near 100+ pound. So this is really not relevant.
because you think that in the middle ages people only used bows over 100 pound? sorry mate. the really heavy bows probably were an exception only used by professional archers. Our main character starts out as a blacksmith.
His bow may be modern, itâs also pretty simple, so might be closer to the old bows than what you see in modern day archery.
Thatâs nice, maybe the devs could use you guys for mocapping archers.
But a 35pund bow will not have the range needed for battle or the same chance of going thought armor. And will cause less damage to the target.
And yes, the 138 bows found on the Mary Rose have bin estimated to be 100+pounds.
(take a look in: Strickland, Matthew & Robert Hardy: The Great Warbow: From Hastings to the Mary Rose.
Gloucestershire. 2005.)
Also note that there is no clear evidence of the use of any sort of wood shortbow in western Europe.
But there are archaeological evidence of the use of a âlongbowâ in from 4000bc, 5-600th century AD (bog finds), 1000AD in Hedeby and offcause from the Mary Rose that went down in 1545.
Thatâs pretty weird, a lighter bow would still be useful for non military use, and hunting.
I donât know ( did not pay much attention to it) how strong Larsens bow was but it put his arrows through chainmail ok.
If people called longbows "long"bows, that must be because there were shortbows, Otherwise the longbows would just be bows.
Now I doân have any vested interest in this, but I canât see your point, really.
Could you tell me what constitutes long range for a 100 pound longbow of the 15th century?
I know the Norse and Swedes of the early middle ages at least up to 1000 AD made extensive use of the short bow.
Did it go out of fashion entirely by the 15th century?
Well, short bow with long draw is pretty difficult to made, and doesn´t have any real advantage, except that you can shot it easier from horse. Wooden longbow is pretty easy to make when you have wood.
In fact, that is why mongolian made the short bow, in their land is wood good for bow pretty scarce, so they have to go around it by making composite bows.
âLongbowâ is a modern name that was not in use back then.
In the English texts it is simply called a bow or a warbow.
Weaker bows used for hunting was not much shorter than the warbows⌠just weaker.
There is an idea that the Normans used shortbows and it later evolved into the longbow during the 14th century.
But the shortbow idea is only based on the tapestry. And since that was made by some women who knew nothing abut bows and with a Technic that donât allow details, it is rather problematic to base details like the size of of the bows on it. And we know that Longbows was in use before 1066, so the idea donât hold water.
But still one of the ideas that is wide spread just like how armor is heavy and you need a crane to help you up on a horse.
Longbows are made of one piece of wood.
A composite bow is not a wood bow⌠it is a composite bow⌠made of more then one piece and often of another material than wood.
So two different things. And my point is that as fare as I know there is no evidence of the use of wood short bows in western Europe. It is something covered to some detail in the book i mentioned in my last post.
About what Lars do.
Using modern arrows, a modern bow shooting as some poorly made indian âmailâ is in no way a proper representation of what bows could or could not do back than. It canât be used as an argument for or against anything in regards to arrows vs armor.
What we can use it for, is the Technic that allow him to fire so fast. From what he told me, it is similar to Technics used by some of the different steep cultures⌠And if he had trained this from child Iam pretty sure that he would have bin able to use a powerful composite bow and still fire pretty fast. But it still donât tell us anything about how the bows used for warfare did against mail armor or plate for the matter.
LONGâO, can you provide a source for the use of wood shortbows by âskandinaviansâ.? I would like to read about that. (I know some of the hunter cultures in the extreme north used composite bows⌠bot not wood short bows.)
Just a heads up for anyone that can get Belgian TV station VTM, a friend of mine is on doing some 3D archery in the reality style program Beat the Bompaz, where youngsters are given the chance to try and beat their grandfathers 
The program is on at 21:45 on VTM (local Time)
Just to add on to a point youâve already made here:
Composite bows are also (not trying to bash on them) liars. The use of a composite bow, at least today, is to get the results of a heavier pound bow while the pulleys on the bow make it feel as if youâre dawing the weight of a weaker bow.
So letâs say I had a composite bow of 150 pound draw weight, my draw weight would only feel like 110 or so, maybe less or more.
This is why composite bows are widely used in hunting today, along with their small size compared to a recurve bow.
EDIT: If I made a mistake about the specific facts of composite bows, just to cover my a$$ I donât actually use one, (I use recurve) just know of them.
As a comparison to Larsâ quick shooting I would like to put Joe Gibbs forward here:
6 arrows in a minute, but fulldraw and heavy bow.
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