SC: CitizenCon!

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#1

Who watched it?

Personally I thought it was amazing, and seeing the things CIG is doing gives me more and more hope that KCD and SC are going to share enough tech to make both games more amazing than they would be otherwise!

Seeing the planetside demo, I couldn’t help but feel like what Tony Zurovek is doing with NPC AI almost mirrors what’s being done in KCD. I wonder if this is one area where Warhorse helped CIG out? Either way, I’m sure they can both help each other out in this area given the nearly ridiculous quality of AI in both games.

KCD and SC… Two games that will define a generation! :smiley:

Thoughts? Comments?

#2

Damn I completely missed it, did the record it?

#3

yep- check the link on the website or try youtube/twitch

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#5

It looks amazing, sadly my hangar crashes every time I try to change the graphic settings so I am stuck on very high settings with 25 fps :frowning:

#6

So far the ugly aliasing is really noticable. I hope they’ll finally address that soon.

#7

Saw it and was amazed, good things are coming for PC gamers in the future. Both SC and KCD shows what can be done with a vision, community and cryengine.

#8

Even though I am a decent backer 500+ for Sc - I have become truly disgusted at what they have become.

The constant requirements and push for money, the constant flow of ships for even more money, and the horrible merchandise. And of course LTI added in to open wallets up further after saying it will never appear again.

Dont get me started about the grey market and how people are exploiting it and scamming.
There is a very good reason SC has a terrible name outside the small 500k group.

I am grateful that I did learn about KCD from them but I have lost all hope and expect nothing from SC.

I cant wait for the alpha.

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#9

Well - more ships is good, isn’t it?
And you don’t need to buy anything except the base package for $25.

All that grey market stuff works only right now because many ill informed people are out there. And yes, I blame them. The premium they pay is the price of ignorance, because the information actually is out there.
Not only out there, they shove it right in your face when you actually bother to “buy a ship” at their own site.

I expect all the best from SC. It’s going to be a fun game. It’s going to be like Privateer, only better.

#10

Hmm that’s pretty unfortunate Blue.

Personally I’ve only spent about 150, but I am thus far totally satisfied. Have to admit, 500 is a lot to drop on something you don’t know if you’ll like. I think its important to remember that the push for money isn’t a push for hookers-and-blow money, but rather a push to continue development (bear in mind the cost of producing other games that are comparable in scope, such as Destiny, GTA V and SWTOR typically numbers in the hundreds, not tens, of millions).

Besides, most of these ships (even unannounced ones) aren’t exactly tacked on afterthoughts designed to grow profit. They embody game mechanics that have already been planned- the introduction of these ships is essentially the introduction of the very game mechanics that SC’s been devised around. It’s not feature creep, it’s planned features coming together. It just so happens that developing the ships that correspond to these features is sort of the first step in getting those features out the door.

I know the plan put forward on KS pales in comparison to what seems to be on offer today, but that freedom to do what they want is precisely why they refused to work with a publisher. However, admittedly, you have every right to feel creeped out about it. If it worries you that much, check out for a while and come see whats going on in 2015! I’m sure your investment will not be wasted :smiley:

Hope your fears end up being assuaged- this might be a good reason to cut back on what you contribute to games that are in development!

#11

You gave 500+ bucks for something you don’t believe in? Hm…

That’s not really true…

And why is that so? I can understand that you don’t like their marketing and PR but that has little to do with the game itself. Star Citizen can still be the great game it was meant to be from the first second. I don’t see why your personal disagreement with Cloud Imperium’s marketing strategy should make the game itself less fun or entertaining. You lost hope but you actually said nothing about the game itself, e.g. about the already available dogfighting and racing modules? That’s very strange, dude…

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#12

Well, all that numbers… I think I read in a report that most of the money that goes to “game production” in conventionally produced games goes to PR. The number was that only about 30-40% goes into actual game production.

On the other hand, I wonder how much CIG spends on producing all those videos, streams and conventions - it’s all time they could spend otherwise on making the game or (probably) a few employees for that sole purpose. So about 200k a year at least.

#13

Granted, but even 40% of GTA V or SWTOR’s budget is literally several hundered million dollars. CIG’s scope is not only comparable, but frankly surpasses either of the aforementioned games. So if CIG only has 57 mil, how much more would it need to reach 40% of some other games’ budgets?

Ya you’re right the commercials and presentations cost money- but much of that was voted on by the backers (who are effectively paying for such correspondence), not to mention the fact that admission charged recoups much of the cost for holding events like CitizenCon or the PAX presentations. Further, the marketing CIG does is pretty bare bones- even in comparison to a shampoo company let alone other games (ie: CIG’s marketing budget is minimal at best).

With that in mind, I’m not too worried about the marketing costs- it’s the cost of the entire package two years from now that needs to be paid for. Suddenly, in that light, the ship sales make a whole lot of sense.

#14

Let’s not forget that earlier space-sims have only had a fraction of the funding that SC currently has (and will have), with the veteran crew at the helm and a transparent process it’s hard to see anything else than the best game in it’s genre when it arrives.

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#15

@LordCrash
Yes I did give 500 bucks and did see how things were turning and stop giving money. not that hard of a shocker.

And yes it is really true outside the backers area everyone is actually making fun of SC and the people in it.

I was thankful to find out about the cross promotion about CR and KC.

Now crash what would like to know about the AC?

GO ahead I have played it for about 10 mins it wasnt very good and the things they done to it werent very fun or enjoyable. Why would I bother with the racing module?

oh right to buy more ships.

It isnt a great game - it is a non stop mr creosote

and lets not forget that the fact is that since they dont have a publisher the money is magnified so this is without question one of the most expensive games ever made.

I cant stand the fact that they hold a holier than thou attitude all the while splitting the community and using that to sell more ships. It doesnt matter what the game will be like because the community is horrible. PS for 20- bucks a month you can get a good community.

You guys want to bring this in here so I will continue to say my piece every time.

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#16

Yes lordcrash: I do have a bunch of ships. 1)300i, 1) Connie, 1) gladiator, 1) freelancer (all lti)
what is your issue with that I would like to know?
I bought them just before the final push to lti where they were money grubbers and pushed for even more money on lti.
It disgusted me.

I also saw what they were doing to the community and how they were fostering things. I dont go to the website very much anymore because I dont care anymore and am thinking of giving the account away because I wont use it.
( i do go to 1 particular thread a lot but not the rest of board)

I download the original AC and played it for 10 mins to see what it was and was very critical about it and stopped uninstalled and havent bothered since. UI was bad, control was way off etc.

WHAT IS YOUR ISSUE? I dont see the shining knight you do and you take umbrage at it?
It could (i do say could) be a great game but it will be dead for 1 main reason the community it has fostered has already killed it. It is how everyone involved acts with respect to SC.

And from what little I have played it wasnt fun - of course I could wait but why bother when there are so many sales to buy stuff and so many players to attack you if you dont like what they say.

You dont seem to understand that all those actions= final game outcome - it isnt based just on the game itself.

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#17

Seems like you’ve just decided to not like SC.
10 minutes in (what I presume) an earlier build than what is currently availabe doesn’t really say anything…

Also, where are “everyone else” that talks down on SC? Please link as I’m curious about this.

#18

Maybe … that was because the AC is not a game, it’s just an early stage module?
Of course UI is bad. Of course control are neither refined nor balanced.

I think you mistake the AC for a finished product.

That aside: Star Citizen is not Arena Commander. It is much more.

Then you complain about all those extra sales:
I think they stressed enough that you don’t need any of this.

It is solely for supporting game development, to drive it further.
People want to support this game. I did. It’s a nice move for them to offer something in return, like those ships.

I think the only problem is that people really believe they buy these ships, as in: they buy them to have advantages later OR they buy them so they can resell them on the grey market.
In the forums both appear quite often and they’re constantly complaining.

But they don’t buy ships.
Rather than investing, the decision-making rationale should be like this:
You have $100 at hand - what do you think will be more fun, going out the weekend, get wasted and wake up sh*tfaced the next morning - or spend it on the development of a game you’ll likely enjoy quite a lot in the future, much longer than one single weekend and without the hangover? Or likely I got a friend who drives a Porsche Cayenne. He spends around $400 a week on fuel. It’s no problem for him getting the 890 Jump, it’s just one and a half week of refilling his car. And I bet he could use less fuel if he drove just a little bit anticipatory (he drives like a maniac, always throttle to the metal). He could save the money easily, but he doesn’t need to. (I spend maybe $40 a week on fuel, but my car is much smaller and I don’t push it like he does - and I don’t need to commute that long).

I think people are also way too fixated on the official server thing.
Most of the people I’ve talked to on Gamescon or in ORG chats plan to play on private servers - alone to have the possibility of implementing mods that are not PG-13 or that have questionable licensing issues (like all the old Wing Commander ships). All the ships you bought are worth nothing there.

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#19

It seems you have a way bigger issue with something here than I do, mate…

At least I can say that I’ve played AC for more than 10 minutes. It’s imo kind of ridiculous of judging on the final game based on playing an early alpha of a specific part of the game for that short amount of time…

And maybe we two are different because I don’t care whether I like the people who play the same games I play. I care whether the game itself is good.

But relax, nobody is forcing you to like SC. You can love and hate whatever you want. But maybe you should accept that not everybody thinks that what you say is very reasonable… :wink:

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#20

Gah, I should have known this would turn into a flame war! This was not meant to be a troll thread guys, was just asking what everyone thought of CitCon and SC’s progress- no reason for this to go sour. Let’s keep the tit-for-tat out of this thread- responding is one thing, but this back and forth is less than pleasant.

If we can’t do this like mature KCD/SC fans (or skeptics), mods please close the thread.

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