Stamina Redux Mod [Idea]

This is only an idea, because I have no idea if we can alter the AI, Stamina, and add in the necessary debuffs to make this work.

Simply put: I dislike how over 50% of the combat is waiting… waiting to recover your stamina after you blocked. Waiting to recover your stamina after you attacked. Waiting to recover your stamina after you ran up to an enemy…

it’s a whole ton of waiting around, starring at each other like the filler episodes of Dragon Ball Z. That’s not how swordfighting works… no one gets exhausted after six swings, not even very unfit people. A blacksmith’s son and local tough will be far more capable.

So, here’s an idea, and a discussion, for a possible reworking to make the fighting more action-packed and authentic.


There are two possible routes.

Faster Pace:
Much faster stamina regeneration, maybe more stamina as well. Stamina might regenerate four times faster. So, instead of waiting up to four seconds after a long combo, you’re going to be waiting one second.

Now, to make this style of combat work, the enemies will have to be more aggressive, regularly attacking you. This will make groups of enemies far more intimidating.

Slower Pace:
Alternatively, we could have a slower paced stamina system, which is more strategic and more like the real nature of fatigue. Basically, your stamina regeneration rate is shrunk to 10% of what it was. However, you now have approximately 100x the maximum stamina.

Stamina damage essentially represents being beaten up, bruised, having the wind knocked out of you, and maybe losing your balance. You don’t recover all that fast, from being beaten about with a sword while wearing a tin-suit. Fighting itself can be exhausting, but not in the way KCD presents, where you get exhausted after swinging four times…
As a fight goes on, and you beat each other up, you will both get more tired and slower.

Enemies would, again, need to be somewhat more aggressive, and need to adjust their behaviour to match this system. Otherwise, the player will just back up for 40 seconds, instead of backing up for 4 seconds.

Additional ideas which may be useful in either style:

Bruising Debuff. Long-term Stamina Damage:
A major function of stamina in KCD, is that when you run out of stamina, your armour loses its effectiveness. Armour basically converts HP damage into Stamina Damage. It’s a cool idea, and I like the concept.

So an important point is to maintain this quality in any stamina redux. One way would be through creative debuffs, like a Bruising one. It’d be similar to Crippling people’s head, harms, legs and torso. It would have a shorter duration, and it’s main effect would be to lower your maximum Stamina. The debuff would recover fairly quickly, and your maximum stamina would go up as it wore off. Effectively, this would be stamina damage that takes longer to recover from.

The point of this is simple enough. It’s to give the impression of being beaten so sore you can hardly recover. In KDC, when you get whacked with the murder-stroke of a sword and lose all your stamina, I don’t get the impression of dazing head-trauma which is the real-world example that’d stick with you a long time into the fight. Instead, it feels more like when your buddy comes up behind you and gives your a hard smack on the back. Really surprising and disorienting, but only for one second. That’s how stamina damage and recovery feels, in the game.

Now of course there is HP damage which lowers your maximum stamina, and that covers some of this. But wounding that lessens your ability to fight is generally pretty serious, and takes days or weeks to recover from. That’s why I’m suggesting this middle-ground, form of damage, which you see simulated in some sports games and the like.


I think that’s enough talking points for now. One thing I would like some help with, is understanding the damage formula of KCD. I’m not sure how armour, damage, and stamina all come together.

It really doesnt take long for stamina to recharge as long as your not wasting all your energy in one flurry of attacks. If you have one than one enemy whos going to be able to swing a heavy sword about nonstop dodging and parrying blows from them enemy. Your just impatient… what kind of game do you want? To be able to run into an group of enemys, not worry about your stamina and destroy them all? Boring

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Well, want to try it? You get whatever weapon you like, and wait around, attacking three times every two seconds. Meanwhile, I can hit you as much as I’m able to, without stopping. Somehow, I doubt your chances.

If you have no interest in swordplay, modding, or novel thought, then please don’t take your frustrations out on this thread.

I have no frustrations with anything. Your the one frustrated by the combat and having to wait a second of two for stamina xD

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I am fairly frustrated with idiocy, and wastes of my time, yes. So, if you aren’t able to give any useful feedback, please go somewhere where that isn’t the case for you. I’m sure many people value your opinion, and tell you so.

Idiocy is complaining that you have pull back from your opponents for a massive 1/2 seconds in order for you to regain your stamina. You even get perks to help manage your stamina better in combat.

Sorry to hear there is nowhere that values your opinions. Please stop trolling the thread.

If you hate people modding so much, then why are you in the modding section? I suggest you stay out of it altogether, and everyone will be happier.

And who values your opinion? Noone else has replied to this post in 10hr while other topics are breaking the forums because they’re so active geting replys every few minutes. Which shows stamina isnt an issue. I never said i hate hated modding so dont confuse fiction between fact i said stamina isnt an issue. Dont try to insult me by saying noone values my opinion when you’re only insulting yourself since noone else has bothered with this thread. Goodbye

Thank you for leaving. I’m sorry you feel upset. You’ll feel better later.

Though I admit, your tantrum has made this one of the most active threads in the modding section. Many have no replies, whereas I got my own little fanboy. Looking forward to your next trolling attempt, since you’re so fixated on the mod.

From what context you pulled out me being upset is confusing. I was clearly pointing out a dumb idea that wasn’t exactly necessary and waiting a few seconds for stamina was somehow hard for you. Meh think what you want. Im glad i made your thread the most active because nobody else cares about the issue lmao. Goodluck with your next mod idea!

See? The fanboy returns. Promises to leave… but can never stay away.

[quote=“5IRON, post:10, topic:42658”]
From what context you pulled out me being upset is confusing.
[/quote] …English, do you speak it? Or are you so upset, your English skills have declined? I suppose this isn’t true of everyone, but long rants and inane dialogue normally means a person is upset.

[quote=“5IRON, post:10, topic:42658”]
I was clearly pointing out a dumb idea that wasn’t exactly necessary[/quote] Thank you for agreeing your trolling was idiotic, and useless.

[quote=“5IRON, post:10, topic:42658”]and waiting a few seconds for stamina was somehow hard for you.
[/quote] Seconds? You said half a second, just before. Do you have difficulties in math class? Or perhaps remembering things that happened more than five minutes ago?

If you can’t maintain a specific complaint… then I guess you’re just a troll, who is very upset.

[quote=“5IRON, post:10, topic:42658”]
Goodluck with your next mod idea!
[/quote] Thank you. I hope you feel better soon.

Lmao sorry but i just i skimmed to a point where you quoted me where i said half a second ‘just before’. My first two replys where i even mentioned how long you had to wait the first and second reply on the subject both said a second or two / 1/2 seconds. If you feel the need to add a load of quotes to make your arguement feel bigger then whatever. Im bored of this now. I’ll let you get last word in because i know you wont be able to resist. yawn

I think this is the fourth time you’ve said goodbye? You are one persistent fanboy troll.

So, you never clarified… are you very upset and writing this in a hurry, or just barely literate? Because I can’t read this. Skimming is classic of very low reading skill, so are misspellings of words in ways that are clearly not typos (“replys” instead of “replies”).

Poor reading skill leads to poor mental development, communication ability, and logical process. So, you see no contradiction in the difference between seconds, and half a second. That, or your writing and math skills are so bad, you don’t realise 1/2 means one half.

But anyway, thanks for agreeing with the things I said. I look forward to your next attempt at trolling.

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