but by having untraceable guns on the market you make it so easy for people to commit crimes with the guns and get away with it.
surely you can see the benefits of you being responsible for YOUR gun and if its stolen you report it like you would your car
but they cant just burst in and take your guns as that would require a warrant from the courts which are separate from the government so you would be legally allowed to defend your home
Would you rather buy a gun from a gun shop where it could be potentially traced back to you? Or would you rather buy a cheap gun from a sketchy street dealer who got it from Mexico. If you buy a gun from a gun shop it can be traced back to you.
Um they did burst in peoples homes and take guns during the Boston Bombing and Hurricane Katrina. It was completely illegal and unconstitutional but they got away with it. Many people lost their guns and never got them back.
right so they’re registered to you in some form
Im not 100% sure how it works. Ive never bought a gun before again the gun laws vary from each state. Im pretty sure full autos are banned in my state but legal in others. I hope they toss that 30 round mag ban its pointless. Luckily the green tip 556 ammo ban got shut down but i don’t know why anyone would want it banned its never been used to shoot cops and hardly any people had it before they proposed the ban.
Do you own an ar-15 @snejdarek?
And what about you @TobiTobsen do you own a gun? 
Hopefully Friday! 
No, I don’t have any rifle yet. The thing is that I first need to buy a safe. I wanted to get one certified for 10 guns for Christmas (€300), but then I realized I would have to change it in about 3 years for a larger one anyways, so I plan to get one certified for 20 (€ 1100) in about July.
Then I will still stick to pistols for some time. I live in a city and there is only one range within the city limits that allows high power rifles. That one has only 50 metres rifle range, so it is still not that much fun. Anywhere I go outside city I can get by train, unless I would go to a rifle range, which tend to be away from everything. So basically, I will need a car mainly to get to the out-of-city range. I reckon I will spend €12.000 on a car. I don’t have that money yet and I won’t take credit for anything else than home.
When I’ll have the safe and car covered, I am not sure I will go into AR 15. I can get €400 off PAR MK3 since I know the guys who make them personally, but that will still leave me with €1600 to pay.
For €1600, I can get Vz.58 with modern accessories that can do anything AR 15 can and Zastava M76. That is assault rifle (semi-auto) and sniper rifle both for the same money.
The good thing is that stock Vz.58 will cost me €250 and I can buy accessories later, so I will probably get that even if I won’t be able to get serious range time (no car/no time), so I guess it will come into the safe (once I buy one) before the year-end.
Isn’t Vz.58 beautiful? And no, this has nothing to do with AK, apart from cartridge and external looks.
Yeah that’s kinda what’s keeping me from getting a gun. I would have no where to shoot it.
But it would give me peace of mind to own one.
Well, CZ Scorpion EVO 3 sells only for $900. It is around €1400 here. If we had it for the price you do, I would already have one at home. And with 9mm luger you can take it to any pistol range.
On the other hand the fact they sell it as a pistol and not as SBR in US may be quite a deal breaker.
Yeah its quite a shame 
It looked fucking awesome.
And here are some Vz.58s in action
I read they are getting quite popular in California due to the mag restrictions. They can be stripper clip fed.
TESTING
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH LIES ALL LIES!
So what did you do? 
In case you were interested. (btw the courts are not separate from the government).
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/see-police-confiscate-guns-from-americans/
Both those links have videos taken from major news networks of them doing it in case you don’t trust the articles.
They were also pointing guns at civilians and doing all other shit to catch one fucking guy that may or may not have been in that area.
I didn’t know about Cathrina. That is outright crazy. In situation when the government collapses and you might need the gun the most, that what is left of police force concentrates on taking legally owned guns away from citizens. Craziness.
Yep a lot of the soliders and police who conducted the raids spoke out about them later. One guy said a women came up to them sobbing and it turned out she had been raped because they took her guns from her. Countless stories like these came out Katrina people were looted, murdered, mugged all because their guns were confiscated when they needed them most. Also the police threw a 80 some year old women to the ground and broker her collar bone because when they busted her door down they she thought they were looters and tried to grab her pistol.
Oh and another thing they also had black water come in and do a lot of the confiscating which disturbs me greatly.
After I’ve shown you all this @TheDivineInfidel i’m amazed you still think i’m crazy in being fearful of my government taking my guns away.
@TheDivineInfidel @snejdarek @McWonderBeast @TobiTobsen
Well heres an interesting read. A bunch of American, British, and other nationalities held out in a siege against the FBI and the military in Texas that lasted 51 days. They were part of a doomsday cult and their leader thought he was Jesus. 
ya man did you watch the video where the swat tackle and beat the shit out of an old lady after they ask her for her gun and she brings it out, fingers through the action (revolver) and they just start whaling on her.
Well, I’ll throw this in here just for the good measure. Although it was a military engagement, most of the 250 Czech soldiers were recruited 14 days earlier so they were really just a bunch of civilians in military clothes. Meanwhile the 1.200 Germans were all professionals. Still, the Czechs held quite well, despite being outnumbered and out-gunned, until they ran out of ammo.
I am lost for words.
The Denver FBI SWAT team assigned to Ruby Ridge thought the ROE were “crazy” and agreed among themselves to follow the FBI deadly force policy. However, most of the FBI HRT sniper/observers accepted the ROE as modifying the deadly force policy. Examples: HRT sniper Dale Monroe saw the ROE as a “green light” to shoot armed adult males on sight and HRT sniper Edward Wenger believed that if he observed armed adults, he could use deadly force, but he was to follow standard deadly force policy for all other individuals. Fred Lanceley, the FBI Hostage Negotiator at Ruby Ridge, was “surprised and shocked” at the ROE, the most severe rules he had ever heard in his over 300 hostage situations and characterized the ROE as inconsistent with standard policy.[48] A later Senate report criticized the ROE as “virtual shoot-on-sight orders.”[10]
