Obama and his administration have tried to pass it before hell i think he’s even signed something of the same nature. The very fact that it was written by the U.N and not a U.S representative pisses me the fuck off. They should have no say in how one country operates period.
I am telling you. It is international treaty. Unless your country decides to become a party to it, nobody can force you.
John Kerry signed a U.N gun treaty back in 2013 without the consent of Congress. Obama is currently trying to sneak one in again.
I’m not sure why anyone would be okay with accepting laws that weren’t written by their representatives.
It’s just another loop hole through the democratic process. Thats how he operates. He can’t outright ban guns so he try’s to do other things like recently the Democrats proposed a bill to ban the sales of ammunition on the internet to quote “stop people from getting unlimited ammo”.
Luckily Veterans here can have fire arms on them at almost all times. So i imagine terror attacks with cleavers would go as well as the recent terror attack in Texas with the attackers shot before they could seriously hurt anyone.
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@snejdarek what are your views on the recent Islamic terror attacks? Do you think the people holding the cartoon events were in the wrong?
And what do you think about he double standard? People never complained about cartoons on Christianity but then justify terror attacks because they offended Islam.
Yeah, but it is still not ratified by the parliament so it is not binding. The government negotiates the treaties but the parliament concludes them.
What can one think? Fuck those fuckers.
On the other side, if the US & UK hadn’t fucked up all of the middle east, those people would be probably picking their kids from school after work and not thinking about killing infidels.
As I said, I am only sorry that the Charlie Hebdo scripters had to wait unarmed until they were killed. This shows that there is no freedom of expression without gun rights.
Oh come on, two generations ago you would hang on a nearest tree even in the US if you mocked bible the same way. At least in the South.
i though i don’t agree with NATOs actions in the middle east it goes way back before the Iraq wars. Sure we didn’t help the situation but the middle east has been pretty fucked up for a while.
Not true at all. That happened to blacks sure but not atheists. Christianity isn’t actually as big in the south as you think. In fact satanism is actually huge down there. Many back water cults. I had a teacher from Tennessee and he had a lot of creepy stories about cultists down there.
The federal government takes a very strong stance against religious fanatics who are violent. Our nation was founded by people who defied religious when they left Europe or people who came here for religious freedom.
In fact the KKK actually targeted Catholics so it wouldn’t be un common to see a Catholic lynched in the early 20th century in the deep south.
When I was little I couldn’t tell the difference at all and thought everyone sounded like the Beatles.( I used to think Australians sounded the same as well)
Then in middle school and High school I became obsessed with various BBC shows and started hearing people speak more and began noticing subtle differences (primarily slang).
Im no expert I can’t hear someone speak and Identify where they are from but I can now distinguish between individuals voices.
Well, I’d say that toppling the democratic government in Iran and starting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan were quite a fucktarded things to do. But invading Iraq, that just topped everything.
Well considering that I am going for Mad Max in 4Dx tomorrow, did you know that the original Mad Max had American voiceovers for US cinemas? Apparently they considered the Australian original too weird for anyone to take it seriously 
I mean, English voiceovers over English voices
The threat has always been there for the UK as we are one of the top three nations on there hate list right behind the US .
Security here at the minute is very high so the response times would be very quick . But yes our biggest danger is just a guy acting by himself with a car or knife . Any large attack 99.99999% of the time gets picked up by the intelligence agencies
Yeah i agree with you. But the middle east has been in a constant state of war in pretty much all of recorded history. From the Crusades to the Caliphates, Roman empire, Alexander the great , British imperialism. The middle east has always been a hot zone we did make everything a lot worse though.
But the original had Mel Gibson in it and he’s American.
Well the FBI actually had intelligence about the terror attack in Texas before it happened. Same with 9/11, the Oklahoma city bombing, Colombine shooting, and Virginia tech shooting. They had knowladge for all of those and many of those people had FBI connections. You wonder why we don’t trust our government 
Oh come on. 15 ex-ISIS guys decide at the end of the prayer at 7PM that they will go rampage and by 8PM start just stabbing people on various trains. Within couple of minutes you have 30-100 casualties and the intelligence agencies asking for more money to do more surveillance.
And two hours later I write here “only if the Brits could conceal carry” and you respond “that would not change anything”.
Been there, heard it.
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I always laugh how CNN and the BBC and news stations like that try to discredit CC by doing their little tests showing how worthless CC is. And then you get a real situation where a guy is able to land two head shots with a pistol while under fire from autos. Both men had body armor so this shows Charlie Hebo could have been avoided if there were 1-2 people with CC in the building.
Those news stations must feel like complete dumbass’s for encouraging people not to act in those situations. Thank god that man in Texas risked his life to save others instead of curling into a ball on the ground and crying.
ex-ISIS guys wouldnt be on the streets of the UK in the first place .
also re-read what i said again
multiple guys do it same principle but a PLANNED attack generally leave a trail .
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Well the FBI actually had intelligence about the terror attack in Texas before it happened. Same with 9/11, the Oklahoma city bombing, Colombine shooting, and Virginia tech shooting. They had knowladge for all of those and many of those people had FBI connections. You wonder why we don’t trust our government
[/quote] the intelligence agencies stop hundreds of attacks a year . they can not follow every single lead so they have to make decisions on which ones to follow up on and which ones to leave . they sometimes get it wrong like in the instances you mentioned .
classic yank though right away jumps on the impression they let them happen on purpose .
this quote sums it up from the IRA on a failed attempt to kill British prime minster Margaret thatcher
Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always
not seen much of the BBC then haha british television never even brings up CC at all its a non issue here to brits not even on our agenda
Well the story was a bit different. That one man did wound them and stop them on spot, but it was SWAT that put them to rest. Google the “updated” report.
As regards Charlie, 1-2 would not really change much. But as I said earlier, had a Czech (Texas?) office been in same situation, there would be 60-80% of people inside armed. In Charlie Hebdo context, that is 8-12 people with pistols, possibly 2 SBRs quickly accessible in fast open safe. That is a situation where the attackers would be clearly done for, despite a few casualties among the civilians. And surely not 12 dead.
As this advertisement for Czech gun store puts it, better armed than finding yourself kneeling.
What is the difference? If my whole family gets killed I don’t give two shits about whether it was planned or not, the only question I have is why wasn’t it prevented. There are situations where CCW doesn change much, like when the poor soldier in England was hit by the car, but then when the driver gets out of the car with knife to finish the crime, CCW comes handy to put him down.
no the attack on lee rigby CC wouldnt have made a difference what so ever as when he was hit by the car people thought it was an accident and by the time it had regestered that this guy was being murdered it was too late so yes you may have shot both men but lee would of been dead still so in that case no .
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What is the difference? If my whole family gets killed I don’t give two shits about whether it was planned or not
[/quote] you missed my point completely . when a group of people come together and over a number of weeks/days begin planning an attack , purchasing stuff they leave a trace and generally the intelligence agencies find out and the attack is stopped .
but as you said when a bunch of guys just decide to in the moment pick up knifes and start killing people there is no trace there is no time for the police and secret services to foil the plan and stop the attack .
in these situations its simply down to your QRF force to react and stop the attack getting worse .
im not say there are not situations where CC isnt better to have of course there are plenty of pro’s to CC . i would completely support people like charlie hebdo etc being allowed CC . but what i dont want is a society where everyone is carrying guns and scared to leave the house without one . its just not what as a nation we want .
no amount of guns is going to stop rapes and murders and having no guns isnt going to stop rape and murders . you cant save everyone im afraid no matter your gun laws crime will take place .
I think that depends on the ability of the person carrying a weapon. A person will always fight harder in a life or death situation then they would in a test. Most shooters like that are often expecting soft targets so if they went in and started getting shot at i bet they would be caught by surprise.
Well Texas state law is CC is allowed everywhere and i mean everywhere. Some teachers even carry guns there. This was in response to a big shooting they had at a place were CC was banned. A women who watched both of her parents shot to death normally carried a gun but she obeyed the law and left her gun in the car when she saw the no CC sign.
I know if had a business like that and i had death threats and all that other crap i would have a pistol on me at all times and an Ar-15 in my office.
Couldn’t agree more. This ones pretty good too.
You can’t know for certain that it wouldn’t have helped. CC has stopped a lot of shootings in America despite the lib tard media saying your helpless in that situation.
Or let the citizens own hand guns and they can take care of the threat and non one dies but the murderers.
Nothing will ever stop crime completely. Speaking of rapes its funny the U.K has far more rapes than the U.S does. Maybe because women here can shoot their rapist?
Ahaha this one killed me
surprise works both ways though . if your sitting bored at work the last thing you’re expecting is 2 guys to walk in and start spraying rounds so to be quick enough to react and fire back effectively before being shot yourself is not easy