You want to know what my state did after the aurora movie theatre shooting? All the theaters in the area banned CC…Even though the shooter specifically choose a theater where people couldn’t carry.
They also went after those scary ar-15s banning 30 round mags.
Stupid fucking people running my state am i right?
in that case yes you could be effective and possibly stop the attackers but if someone comes in and right away starts spraying rounds . its simply down to how quick you could be .
dont forget your reaction will always take the order
look at the attackers and mentally process what is actually happening
look for your weapon
reach for your weapon
take safety off (depending )
position yourself to fire
aim
fire
all of that may only take a matter of a few seconds but its a very hard question to answer on whether you would be quick enough before you’re shot yourself .
which is why i say someone who shoots on the range could be the best shot in the world but the shittest person in real combat .
because on a range you have all day to take your shot but in combat you’re talking milliseconds which will decide if you win or lose
and at such close ranges as in an office we would be talking milliseconds
If they go in spraying wildly then that would just make them easier to take out. Look to the Aurora shooter. He just went in spraying and sure he hit 70 people but they were very minor injuries. Only 6 ended up dying and only 12 had to stay in the hospital for more than day. Lets say theres a few in there who might have been wounded but they can still fire at the threat.
Combat like @snejdarek said is different than a public shooting. You would most likely have your family with you so you would be defiantly trying your hardest to take the threat out realizing your failure could mean their deaths.
when i say spraying i dont mean jumping in circles i mean just shooting at everything that moves .
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Combat like @snejdarek said is different than a public shooting. You would most likely have your family with you so you would be defiantly trying your hardest to take the threat out realizing your failure could mean their deaths.
[/quote]combat is combat doest matter the location
so like every other combat situation then ? fucks ups mean death or worse a friend or family doesnt matter if its on the beaches of D-day or at work in the office
You being in the military can probably attest to how ineffective the spray and pray tactic is. Sure they might wound a lot of people but their kill ratio is usually low.
When you join the military you don’t take your loved ones with you. When you’re out in public say a movie theater you might even have small children with you. Lets also add to the fact that you know you’re probably going to be getting shot in the military. People only have time to re act in these situations and 90% of the time they save many lives including their own by shooting the shooter.
I would also like to add your comments about the “range”. When you practice shooting in the military do you not shoot at targets? Target shooting is valuable in most situations sure hitting a moving target thats shooting back would be harder but you’re still better off with experience.
incorrect in close quarters the spray and pray aka shoot everything that moves is the standard procedure . you dont raise your rifle to your eye in room clearance you use instinctive shooting . which is from the hip and knowing your weapon well enough to be able to know where the rounds will land
outside at 300m engagements clearly your not going to hit shit but at 10-30 metres chances are you will hit alot of people very quickly
No, for anyone who carries and gave it a thought, it is:
(1) process
(2) duck down and draw
(3) wait for the panicking people to get out of your line of fire
then comes the rest.
Of course it is different in situation when you have your loved ones with you. Then it is.
(1) process
(2) get up in the direction away from your family and in a manner that draws attention of the attacker, all that while drawing
(3) try hitting him while being shot
Reaching for gun and drawing the gun is actually the easiest and fastest part if you train it a bit. The hard part is getting the sights alined effectivly on the target and avoiding panic shots in the general direction of threat, but not exactly into the threat (unless you are lucky).
They usually don’t just shoot anything that moves. He went in wearing a mask which would obstruct his vision and just started spraying every where. They found bullets in the celling even. It was just random shooting. Thats why he didn’t kill that many people.
you are dead then .
dont have time for that pull and fire . this is what i mean when i talk about the difference between you who shoots on a range and me where i was trained for combat . my reaction is already faster than yours by a long shot .
You act as if they coming looking for you . They will shoot at any exposed target. So if your ducking down low he’ll probably be shooting at people that haven’t yet or people who’ve tried to run. This isn’t that little BBC test where the shooter immediately knows who has a gun and who doesn’t.
yes bullets are likely to hit the ceiling .
ill say it again you do not raise your weapon to your air in close combat . thats how every special operations unit is trained and it was how i was trained as well . when you attempt to raise the weapon to your eye you’re wasting seconds . seconds that mean life or death
you will be dead too then . cant think like that . you fire straight away any delay means death thats how you must think
Why? Are people crawling on the celling? Why in gods name would you even be instinctively aiming up there?
You’re missing my point he wasn’t clearing the room looking for an armed threat he just started randomly spraying. His aim was all over the place most of it didn’t even hit the people.
He wasn’t instinctive shooting like you said above.
This guy was not trained he had never even shot a gun before in his life.
What is the situation? A typical day in restaurant?
I am always sitting in far corner with view of entrance and very good overview of the whole establishment. No, I am not dead, unless the guy comes exclusively after me. For him, I am just one of all those other people who run around/duck down. Up until I start shooting he does not know who is - if any - the one who will shoot back at him.
The attacker will always target perceived threats first. That means (1) uniforms (2) people closest to him.
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This guy was not trained he had never even shot a gun before in his life.
[/quote] the two charlie hedbo attackers were trained which is what im talking about
Come the fuck on. 99% of your training is with assault rifle. Of course you will always have a hit with that. I am talking concealed compact pistol, try shooting that from your hip. You will hit shit unless the target is within 5 metres.
you will lose every time . your whole thought process is shit .
i would lose to run you through room clearance in person you would see what i mean right away . every millisecond counts in deciding your own fate and the others around you
Most walls and ceilings in the U.S are made of dry wall. They wouldn’t be ricocheting off anything in a movie theatre.
And they can’t keep eyes on everyone in the room. There were close to 20 people in there. Meanwhile you only have to focus on 2 attackers.
@snejdarek its useless. We have real world events on our side. He’s just going to keep saying we have no chance which is 100% wrong. CC saves close to 1 million lives each year. Obviously CC is not as useless as he says other wise no shootings would ever be stopped.
