Well, I’d say that toppling the democratic government in Iran and starting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan were quite a fucktarded things to do. But invading Iraq, that just topped everything.
Well considering that I am going for Mad Max in 4Dx tomorrow, did you know that the original Mad Max had American voiceovers for US cinemas? Apparently they considered the Australian original too weird for anyone to take it seriously 
I mean, English voiceovers over English voices
The threat has always been there for the UK as we are one of the top three nations on there hate list right behind the US .
Security here at the minute is very high so the response times would be very quick . But yes our biggest danger is just a guy acting by himself with a car or knife . Any large attack 99.99999% of the time gets picked up by the intelligence agencies
Yeah i agree with you. But the middle east has been in a constant state of war in pretty much all of recorded history. From the Crusades to the Caliphates, Roman empire, Alexander the great , British imperialism. The middle east has always been a hot zone we did make everything a lot worse though.
But the original had Mel Gibson in it and he’s American.
Well the FBI actually had intelligence about the terror attack in Texas before it happened. Same with 9/11, the Oklahoma city bombing, Colombine shooting, and Virginia tech shooting. They had knowladge for all of those and many of those people had FBI connections. You wonder why we don’t trust our government 
Oh come on. 15 ex-ISIS guys decide at the end of the prayer at 7PM that they will go rampage and by 8PM start just stabbing people on various trains. Within couple of minutes you have 30-100 casualties and the intelligence agencies asking for more money to do more surveillance.
And two hours later I write here “only if the Brits could conceal carry” and you respond “that would not change anything”.
Been there, heard it.
I always laugh how CNN and the BBC and news stations like that try to discredit CC by doing their little tests showing how worthless CC is. And then you get a real situation where a guy is able to land two head shots with a pistol while under fire from autos. Both men had body armor so this shows Charlie Hebo could have been avoided if there were 1-2 people with CC in the building.
Those news stations must feel like complete dumbass’s for encouraging people not to act in those situations. Thank god that man in Texas risked his life to save others instead of curling into a ball on the ground and crying.
ex-ISIS guys wouldnt be on the streets of the UK in the first place .
also re-read what i said again
multiple guys do it same principle but a PLANNED attack generally leave a trail .
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Well the FBI actually had intelligence about the terror attack in Texas before it happened. Same with 9/11, the Oklahoma city bombing, Colombine shooting, and Virginia tech shooting. They had knowladge for all of those and many of those people had FBI connections. You wonder why we don’t trust our government
[/quote] the intelligence agencies stop hundreds of attacks a year . they can not follow every single lead so they have to make decisions on which ones to follow up on and which ones to leave . they sometimes get it wrong like in the instances you mentioned .
classic yank though right away jumps on the impression they let them happen on purpose .
this quote sums it up from the IRA on a failed attempt to kill British prime minster Margaret thatcher
Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always
not seen much of the BBC then haha british television never even brings up CC at all its a non issue here to brits not even on our agenda
Well the story was a bit different. That one man did wound them and stop them on spot, but it was SWAT that put them to rest. Google the “updated” report.
As regards Charlie, 1-2 would not really change much. But as I said earlier, had a Czech (Texas?) office been in same situation, there would be 60-80% of people inside armed. In Charlie Hebdo context, that is 8-12 people with pistols, possibly 2 SBRs quickly accessible in fast open safe. That is a situation where the attackers would be clearly done for, despite a few casualties among the civilians. And surely not 12 dead.
As this advertisement for Czech gun store puts it, better armed than finding yourself kneeling.
What is the difference? If my whole family gets killed I don’t give two shits about whether it was planned or not, the only question I have is why wasn’t it prevented. There are situations where CCW doesn change much, like when the poor soldier in England was hit by the car, but then when the driver gets out of the car with knife to finish the crime, CCW comes handy to put him down.
no the attack on lee rigby CC wouldnt have made a difference what so ever as when he was hit by the car people thought it was an accident and by the time it had regestered that this guy was being murdered it was too late so yes you may have shot both men but lee would of been dead still so in that case no .
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What is the difference? If my whole family gets killed I don’t give two shits about whether it was planned or not
[/quote] you missed my point completely . when a group of people come together and over a number of weeks/days begin planning an attack , purchasing stuff they leave a trace and generally the intelligence agencies find out and the attack is stopped .
but as you said when a bunch of guys just decide to in the moment pick up knifes and start killing people there is no trace there is no time for the police and secret services to foil the plan and stop the attack .
in these situations its simply down to your QRF force to react and stop the attack getting worse .
im not say there are not situations where CC isnt better to have of course there are plenty of pro’s to CC . i would completely support people like charlie hebdo etc being allowed CC . but what i dont want is a society where everyone is carrying guns and scared to leave the house without one . its just not what as a nation we want .
no amount of guns is going to stop rapes and murders and having no guns isnt going to stop rape and murders . you cant save everyone im afraid no matter your gun laws crime will take place .
I think that depends on the ability of the person carrying a weapon. A person will always fight harder in a life or death situation then they would in a test. Most shooters like that are often expecting soft targets so if they went in and started getting shot at i bet they would be caught by surprise.
Well Texas state law is CC is allowed everywhere and i mean everywhere. Some teachers even carry guns there. This was in response to a big shooting they had at a place were CC was banned. A women who watched both of her parents shot to death normally carried a gun but she obeyed the law and left her gun in the car when she saw the no CC sign.
I know if had a business like that and i had death threats and all that other crap i would have a pistol on me at all times and an Ar-15 in my office.
Couldn’t agree more. This ones pretty good too.
You can’t know for certain that it wouldn’t have helped. CC has stopped a lot of shootings in America despite the lib tard media saying your helpless in that situation.
Or let the citizens own hand guns and they can take care of the threat and non one dies but the murderers.
Nothing will ever stop crime completely. Speaking of rapes its funny the U.K has far more rapes than the U.S does. Maybe because women here can shoot their rapist?
Ahaha this one killed me
surprise works both ways though . if your sitting bored at work the last thing you’re expecting is 2 guys to walk in and start spraying rounds so to be quick enough to react and fire back effectively before being shot yourself is not easy
Except if you get daily death threats and your company was fire bombed i’m pretty sure you would be some what prepared.
Heres a good question if guns make us more safe and i turn in my guns will the politicians guards turn their guns in? After all liberals are all about fairness.
no i do know that for certain . he was hit by a speeding car already fucked from that they then jumped out and ran over like any normal person would anyway and at this point they smashed down on his neck with a meat clever by the time it had registered to anyone what was going on at least two blows from meat cleavers had been dealt to him . he was dead no matter what your only satisfaction would of been killing the attacks .
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Or let the citizens own hand guns and they can take care of the threat and non one dies but the murderers.
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Nothing will ever stop crime completely. Speaking of rapes its funny the U.K has far more rapes than the U.S does. Maybe because women here can shoot their rapist?
[/quote] ahh see you . how do you define rape though ? i bet the same way i would but here the feminists have got there way . alot of them are not rapes that you are most likely thinking of . in a park late at night by some man from the bushes alot of them are drunk girls sleeping with a guy then accusing the lad of rapping her the next day as she was to drunk to give consent .
this was a footballer . he and a girl went back to his hotel room and slept together she left and came back at least once during the night so she was by no means being forced there . a number of weeks later she came out to the media and said he had raped her as she was to drunk to say yes to sex . as a result he was found guilty of rape , ruined is career as a footballer and basically ruined his life .
how many drunk girls have you slept with ? a few im sure as have most blokes . every single one of them girls could do you for rape and there is a good possibility you would be done for it .
a large portion of our cases are like that
When i talk about rape i talk about an assault. Usually a girl is beaten by her attacker then raped. That probably wouldn’t go under the statistics.
nope it would be impossible . you may have guns all around your office but its impossible to sit there 24/7 at the edge of your seat gun in hand watching the door . so you can speed up you reaction time yes but chances are you simply are not going to see it coming until it happens . the attacker gets to pick the time of the attack not you so he will have that element of surprise on you
all the same the law does not differentiate between how the rape was committed . in the eyes of the law rape is rape and it simply goes down as rape.
so when you see recorded rape cases them cases could be anything from a bathroom drunken shag to a knife tot he throat in a park
Lets say your sitting in your office and have an ar-15 near by or a pistol in your drawer. The guys came in and were looking for certain people they got everyone on the ground and executed the people there were after.
You’re seriously trying to say the majority of rape your country is stuff like that? There are cases like that how ever they get heavily looked at so if a girl trys to lie it usually doesn’t work.
You have more rapes period. So drunk rapes violent rapes the all kinds of rape. You have more assaults then we do too. If you’re an attacker of any kind are you going to go after an armed victim or an unarmed victim?
Now come the fuck on.
A guy is fucking beheaded on the street by a fucktard that shouts allah ackbar. And then the guy comes in your direction with a fucking knife in one hand and head in other.
Proper British reaction? Take out phone and ask him about his feelings.
Czech reaction? Mosambique drill and then once more for a good measure.
The only reason why there were no more dead people that day was that the guy decided he has had enough killing. That means that the lives of the other people were completely at mercy of the murderer. That can happen again, and again, and again ad nauseaum. In France it happened 3 fucking times just one month before Charlie Hebdo. Nobody learned from that? Why? Because it was “just” Jews that were targeted.
Come the fuck on!!!
I don’t know why you always think that armed people must be scared. What would I be scared of? I am ready for whatever comes my way and in my drill I realized that there are moments when even the gun may not be enough and made my peace with that.
Guess what. If you have one town with high CC and one with low, all fuckers move to the one with low CC. You get one justified self defense shooting in a small town and then next half-a-year NO CRIME AT ALL happens there.
Same in the Czech Republic. No gun free zones apart from court houses. And there you can leave your gun with the armed guards upon entering - something you can’t do in Texas - I checked 
