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late. I have one for 12 years :- D But dont worry, its heavy low quality peasant sword :-DD

Funny enough I can’t find any for sale online now. But I know I saw a couple dozen of them on sale by Excalibur just a few weeks back. I guess the Ukrainians must have bought them and got them mixed with the UK shipment (Czechs so far don’t officially send any equipment other than uniforms and other gear and healthcare equipment)

http://www.excaliburarmy.com/en/military-vehicles

(yes, you can legally buy any of these in the Czech Republic as a collector, although the amount of bureaucratic shit around it is debilitating)

the west seems at current very cautious of what we send as at the moment we simply cant risk a major war . the Americans wont do much until they have at least British support and we wont be in a position to offer much support until about 2020 so until then ukraine is very much on its own.

personally i dont think putin is after anymore than crimea i think his goal right now is a federal ukraine so he still has pro-russians along the russian border rather than pro-NATO .

This is his clear target. How far he will get, that is to be seen.

The worst part of the whole thing is that US actually promised Ukraine to defend its independence for giving up their nuclear weapons in 1990s. Now they won’t even send advanced weapons to them.

If you break a promise once, you can’t really be trusted. The few APCs running through Europe (my previous posts) can’t change that feeling.

russia did as well in the same agreement haha

as for the map i dont think he wants to directly control that land under the russian flag i think he wants thats to be under federal style system but with a very pro-russian governor.

but we wont know his true intentions until he gets it , which he will as the west is powerless to stop him if he doesnt fall to the sanctions

get on this prick

Yeah i can see their usefulness in those situations.

Probably what i was thinking of

I don’t hardly approve of the death of civilians and i didn’t approve of us going into the middle east. My joke was aimed at the Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists not civilians. I don’t ever think the killing of civilians is in anyway ok.

Once we get a president with balls in officer who will stand up to Putin we won’t wait for British support.

Im not that comfortable with giving them advanced weapons. The few weapons we have given them so far have been captured by the Rebels. We would just be helping the rebels at that point not the Ukraine army. Look at what its caused with ISIS they have all our shit that we gave to the Iraq army. If we do give them stuff we should be very careful with it. I would be far more comfortable giving them helicopters and jets over tanks. At least that way those have less of a chance in being captured.

As for the acps through Europe. If Russia did invade NATO countries then America would be fighting along side with you guys if you need any further proof of Americas dedication to Europe go visit the thousands of American graves that line the beaches of France.

im afraid you will you couldnt do it alone . any war with russia inside europe would need European support for it to have any chance . plus the US navy would want type 45 (most sophisticated AA ship in the world ) cover over any fleet you sent into the black sea which means you need us more than your american pride allows you to admit

I never said we didn’t need the U.K. How ever we might not have the luxury of waiting till 2020.

yes i agree .

i think its important we stand strong but not needinesses cause a full scale war or start losing kit to the russians in any shape or form

I would be ok with f-16s and attack helicopters being given for support. Tanks are a different story. They can be captured way too easily. I also wouldn’t mind NATO sending military advisors to Ukraine.

no clearly . if they full on went for europe we could be in a position to play a large role but at the moment we wouldnt be comfortable doing so unless there was absolutely no other choice .

but if we are honest here we all know putin isnt trying to invade europe . he just wants the bubble of pro-russian support around russia to remain where he can help . this crisis wont go any further than a proxy war

We also have health benefits.

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We don’t know that Putin is unpredictable. He also believe he’s resurrecting the third Roman empire. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he tried to go for his old satellite states.

already being done british troops are training ukraines army as we speak along side special forces from all sides watching the situation .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:2204, topic:21032”]
I would be ok with f-16s and attack helicopters being given for support.
[/quote] the danger with this is , if the russian have AA systems set up that they will start dropping the f-16’s which would not look good on CNN which i think is probably why the US wouldnt even consider it

Wait they gave the rebels AA systems or the Russians themselves would use their AA systems?

i try to stay out of the propaganda our government is spewing . both sides are as bad as eachother when it comes to bullshit propaganda . i prefer to go on the facts and a bit of common sense in stragey

well thats the mystery . we know the separatists have BUK M1’s and other sophisticated AA systems the question however is who is driving and shooting them :slight_smile:

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This is so lovely.

Even better getting this link from a man that just yesterday said Czechs are bad because their Japanese member of Czech parliament encourages people to walk pigs by mosques :smiley:

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:slight_smile: haha . no i find islam a horrid religion that preaches anything but peace , i posted that link to point out you have muslim issues just like us the world has muslim issues

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