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Bullshit. The Czechs had half the tanks Germans did. The Czechs had many more machine guns than Germans did. Artillery power was about the same.

Yeah, by 1941, after doubling their military industry by occupying Czechoslovakia, German army was something else. In 1938-9, not so much.

i cant believe you would of held off . and why did the cezchs agree to the deal you must of on some level . why did you choose to just lay down your weapons ?

Even with the best case scenario for Hitler it would take him at least a year to defeat the country.

Why we didn’t fight?

Because we were readying for Hitler from 1933. As he built up alliances the strategy changed for building fortress Czechoslovakia that would be too expensive to defeat for anyone, and the complete military built up with three rings of inner defensive fortresses and the world’s most modern army were to be ready by 1942. Obviously, it wasn’t complete by 1938, but it was more than ready to fight Germany alone.

The main strategy that was developed together with France was that in case France was attacked, Czechoslovak army would immediately open front against Germany on its side. Should Czechoslovakia be attacked, France would do the same. Germany could would not be able to deal with that in 1938, not in 1939, not in 1940.

So clearly, reason number one was French - as well as British - complicity in encouraging Hitler to occupy Czechoslovakia. With France leaving its commitment, Czechoslovakia could hope for long defensive war with best outcome on par with what Finns got in their war with Russia, but with no chance in victory.

However, the French and British encouraged not only Germany, they also made it clear to Poland and Hungary that they can take what they want. That was important especially in case of Poland which would not dare to endanger its alliance with France and UK. Look at the map. Not only the numbers were much worse (although Polish and Hungarian armies were desperately badly equipped compared to Czech), but especially geography made it completely impossible to fight the three countries.

The third issue was the existence of German minority that was fiercely pro-Nazi. By the time of Munich Agreement, we have already lost some 100 soldiers in fights with German paramilitary units within the own territory, and when the full mobilization was issued, some 50% of Germans didn’t follow.

The reason is that we had a fighting chance to do our own war if left alone to deal with Germans alone. But not in situation when France and UK encouraged also Poland and Hungary to join the party.

http://pevnosti.kvalitne.cz/files/ovc-8.jpg
FYI, this is one of Czech border bunkers. Germans tested their best anti-bunker canons after our surrender, firing from mere 50 metres (in wartime situation, they could never get so close).

The test resulted in utter failure, they could not take our bunkers in 1938 and they could not go around them like they did in France. Hell, they could not penetrate them even with newer equipment in 1942, the year Germany finally did have THE army you were talking about.

but hold on here right . if the US suddenely turned round and said to germany , "go on you can invade the UK " there is no way we would just go

"ohh well fuck it then " and raise german flags . if you had the means to defend yourself why just lay it all down a bend over

even against all the other countries why just give up

“Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never—in nothing, great or small, large or petty—never give in, except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force. Never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”
― Winston S. Churchill,
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yea the magiot line was pretty solid as well :slight_smile:

So shooting children who are protesting is war?

No Japan s military was quite formidable. In fact the Zero was considered the most advanced plane up until the end of the war when jets started coming into play. Japan crushed the British denseness even though they were out numbered 10-1 in some cases. Without a pissed off U.S at their backs they could focus all their efforts and keeping you out of south east Asia which frankly wouldn’t be that hard with their supply lines intact.

Most of the German casualties happened on the Eastern front. Russia simply had the man power to spare. 30 million troops to throw at their enemy’s. Russia probably would have won anyway but it would have taken a lot longer without the invasion of France. How ever we did supply a lot of things to them but seeing how the U.S would remain neutral in this war we would most likely trade these things to Russia anyway. And this could result in Germany sinking our cargo ships with subs and us joining the war on the side of the allies. Since Japan would be on the allies in this case Britain would have to deal with both Japanese and American troops in south east Asia and possibly an invasion from western Europe. It would be far too much.

The Germans flanked Magiot line they went around it in both world wars through Belgium. The French relayed too heavily on it. If the Germans attacked it full head on they probably would have gotten destroyed.

A bit ironic coming from you when you think that people should never resist a tyrannical government. :stuck_out_tongue:

Found this amusing :smile:

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@TheDivineInfidel @McWonderBeast i know you gents are probably busy playing gta 5 but could you possibly tell me how well it runs and if crashes and bugs are an issue?

Haha that tickled me :joy::joy:

Got a day at work before I can have a go :cry::cry:

We could fight Germany effectively, we could not fight all of them. UK is happily sitting on its Island far away from everything. You don’t need to worry about simultaneous breach of your entire borderline by forces from countries that have together 10x more population.

Personally, I do agree with that. And that is why I believe it is important for small countries like the Czech Republic to follow the Swiss and have effective militia.

You can’t really give militia order to stand down, because every single member decides for himself. Fighting state with effective militia is too expensive because you are at war simultaneously always and never, everywhere and nowhere.

He was very much right. We know it today too. Czechoslovakia paid for the mistake with 360.000 lives.

And we did fight. Just not there and there. Especially you should know it, since there were over 2.000 Czechoslovak airmen in the RAF alone. Poles had higher overall numbers and higher overall kills, but still the highest scoring ace of the Battle of Britain is Josef František. Czechs did kill the highest ranking Nazi army official that was assassinated during the war. And personally, she is one of my favorites:

How about this, @SirWarriant

Its fucking great shit.

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How rude of you what did any of them ever do to you ! YOU ANIMAL ! :slight_smile:
You wait till we meet online I’ll murder everything you love :slight_smile:

Interesting. There were also several very rich people who worked in the towers that skipped work that day. A man also reported seeing a line of black suvs fleeing New York an hour before the first plane struck the building. I personally believe 9/11 was carried out by the U.S government but that article is more proof of how poorly the whole thing was investigated. More money was spent investigating Bill Clinton’s sex life than the 9/11 commission.

I just found an old shitty interview with @Hellboy. Internet is a strange, weird place to be at nowadays.

@Hellboy just wanted to take a dump and next minute some blokes got a camera in his face for an interview :slight_smile:

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