well of course the empire was an investment but you cannot deny the nations were in a better shape when we left than when we went in . many still shit holes when we left but they were a lot more established . there is a HUGE list of god awful crimes we committed but there is a long list of things we did that ultimately shaped the modern world .
dont you dare go Russell brand on our shit NO ! 
Russell Brand has some solid points, sadly he is just going to be another false idol for many.
he is a communist plain and simple all sounds great but when you actually think it over it doesnt work
What in particular doesn’t work? elaborate your point this is a very broad subject and we may be navigating from different contexts.
well the whole idea of no class levels everyone being equal , equal pay etc , just doesnt work . because there is nothing to strive for in life . whats the point of working hard if you’re never going to be better off than the person who doesnt try at all .
my view has always been that the rich deserve to enjoy what they have earned . and everyone should aim to get rich in life not sit around hating on people who have made it .
also in regards to rich people getting away with not paying the amount of tax they should . they get away with it because they will use the money they save from tax doges to grow their company which creates more jobs and helps the economy in the long run .
take france for example they have a extremely socialist government and its screwed them over because the rich are rich enough to just move countries and therefore take money OUT of the nations pockets and the economy suffers for it like frances economy has
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Less than 25% are actually
We’ve established this many times
You are completely missing the point with out America supplies you would not have been able to combat hitler.
Hmmm fair point the U.K did more in Africa but the United States fought Japan alone for the majority of the war. The U.K repeatedly lost to Japan mean while American repeatedly won against Japan. Europe was a far different story. The supreme Commander was an allied commander and there were 4 million American troops compared to 1 million common wealth troops stationed in Europe fighting.
I know you think British troops are god like beings who are invincible but as you stated during the Nato-Russian war arguement they need logistics. No matter how godly the british troops are they would not be able to fight without the U.S supplies. Unless you want to tell me that the British planes didn’t need gas or the soliders didn’t need food etc.
Doesn’t matter Franklin Roosevelt never approved it there for it did not happen period.
You spout off constantly how U.S troops suck and that British troops held the line.
Like i said the brits were Eisenhower’s bitch. 
It sent everyone running. the 101st held the line that would crucial. Monty did flee to the north with his forces. When Patton said he would go relive the troops holding the line Monty as usual wanted to show him up and they both rushed to relive them.
No i dont think they did. Im pretty sure Obama was fighting them on it because he wanted to go in.
And go look at most of those nations today nothing but suffering and poverty.
India is not a good example of successful imperialism they were a very poverty stricken nation but they are slowly getting better.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/apr/23/british-empire-crimes-ignore-atrocitiesfor example most
https://sites.google.com/site/muslimholocaustmuslimgenocide/indian-holocaustgames and films are made in english not mandarin.
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Thats because most games and films are made in the west.
The only thing that will ever unite the human race as a species are
A. the new world order
B. an attack by aliens from outer space
C. alien attacks from the oceans
D. an astriod that will hit earth unless we stop it.
Exactly people seem to think that the rich got rich from stealing from the poor which is just an excuse for them not to work hard in life. Its also funny Russel Brand who is a millionaire is preaching that rich people are evil and that communism is good.
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this is all I can rebuttal with. I spent a half hour writing and re-writing a response and I realized it wouldn’t do what I intended it too so I will leave you with some words from Allan Watts.
I don’t recall ever advocating for the unity of the human race.
A. NWO is a Hive mind culture that will be detrimental to the spiritual well being of this planet and its inhabitants.
B. Aliens have yet to and won’t make contact with general populace because of these widespread fears. when we can coexist with ourselves and our cultural differences only then will higher intelligences communicate on a global level.
D. This is actual very plausible. Lame source but illustrates my point. Space is a whole lot less empty then the general public assumes.
thats still huge for the richest nation on the planet .
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You are completely missing the point with out America supplies you would not have been able to combat hitler.
[/quote] no , see there is the over statement , of course would have been but it would have been much harder .
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United States fought Japan alone for the majority of the war.
[/quote] not true we were right by your side in the pacific . you lead the charge but we were right there with you the entire way and lost many many men in the pacific … we had issues in the pacific because we were fighting a war already in africa and building a force in the UK so we had to completely re organise our forces where as you did not but ultimately when we had regrouped we kicked just as much arse as you did ,
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4 million American troops compared to 1 million common wealth troops stationed in Europe fighting.
[/quote] can you provide a source to that as we raised an army 9 million i doubt be only deployed 1 million in europe .
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I know you think British troops are god like beings who are invincible but as you stated during the Nato-Russian war arguement they need logistics. No matter how godly the british troops are they would not be able to fight without the U.S supplies. Unless you want to tell me that the British planes didn’t need gas or the soliders didn’t need food etc.
[/quote] you didnt provide that sort of support . . thats the over estimate coming out of you again .
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Doesn’t matter Franklin Roosevelt never approved it there for it did not happen period.
[/quote] he doesnt have to its the miltary minsters that approve such things , its then the presidents call to put into into action , but Roosevelt funded it and knew of it perfectly well even went as far as preparing for it with airfields and forts built all along the border with canada .
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You spout off constantly how U.S troops suck and that British troops held the line.
[/quote] no i have not . Americans played there part just as much as any british soldier and vise versa as ive said before it was a joint effot in which all sides were equally important to the victory .
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Eisenhower’s
[/quote] Eisenhower was churchills bitch though it was a compitition between Eisenhower and Montgomery , chruchill had the power to sack Eisenhower at any time which mongormy tried getting him to do so many times its untrue .
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It sent everyone running. the 101st held the line that would crucial. Monty did flee to the north with his forces. When Patton said he would go relive the troops holding the line Monty as usual wanted to show him up and they both rushed to relive them.
[/quote] not a SINGLE british soldier was stationed in that section of the line it was an american section .
Montgomery took over from general Bradley . his actual british force had to travel over to that section of the line which is where the race started , no british froce retreated. however he was able to add british soldiers to the 9th us army and begin creating reserves ready for the counter attacked .
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No i dont think they did. Im pretty sure Obama was fighting them on it because he wanted to go in.
[/quote] im pretty sure they gave the go ahead for air strikes however our parliament did not and obama wouldnt go in without our support .
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And go look at most of those nations today nothing but suffering and poverty.
[/quote] thats down to the fact the hand over was as slow as it should have been but they are still better off than when we went in
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India is not a good example of successful imperialism they were a very poverty stricken nation but they are slowly getting better.
[/quote]there entire infustructure is still the original british one , for example all their trains and rail way is still the one installed by us .
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Thats because most games and films are made in the west.
[/quote] no because english is the common language of the planet , diplomacy is conducted in english etc .
what language do you speak ? what language is mainly spoken on the forum ? anything international is done in english
i do love allan watts i have to say but you miss his point . his point was that people shouldnt worry about getting a job that pays well they should pick a job they enjoy in which they will master and then can become rich from success in that job.
thats what i took from it any way
watch this socialist bitch get destroyed … bloody green party .
What I took away is currency isn’t the issue, it isn’t what drives us. As a culture we have created a false model of success based on material wealth.
Sorry I really couldn’t follow that video I was laughing to hard. because this was my first impression.
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i would agree with that yes , for me personally i do well for myself im not rich by any standards but im also not poor , and my desire in life has never to be rich as such . my interest has always layed within the army and i trained myself up as a kid to follow that path and that dream i had . money played no part in it so yes i agree money shouldnt be the main goal in life .
although id much rather cry in a AUDI than a nissan
So understanding this can you not associate with the ideal that our current cultural and Economical structures aren’t conducive to living a life this way?
Personally my passion is learning but sadly their are very limited ways to make a living this way, and the opportunities that do exist would not provide me the means to continue to give my family a comfortable lifestyle or give my son an education better then the Garbage public education system.
Many people face this struggle, do something that they are passionate about and fulfill their inner most desires or do something that is hard on your body and mental consciousness so you can provide for another.
This doesn’t mean one should give up because the system is bunk but it also doesn’t mean the system can’t be fixed or improved. It’s just a messy process and many are captivated by fear of change.
I don’t know who they were Quoting but in a track by Dan le sac Vs Scroobius Pip they quote -
Like Billy says, whether you have or you have not wealth,
The system might fail you, but don’t fail yourself
i am against these excuse of the system not working , you’re the system you decide what works and doesnt work for YOU .
what do you most enjoy learning about ?
i would advise just finding a peaceful song or something and just alone sit and dream about your ideal life and then make it a reality .
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would not provide me the means to continue to give my family a comfortable lifestyle or give my son an education better then the Garbage public education system.
[/quote] what did alan watts say ? listen again . when you have a passion for something you will master it , when you have mastered it you can charge a fee for the service , start your own business or something .
my dream at the moment is to go for SAS selection , i know what i want and right now im training to get to that level of self belief and physical ability .anything is possible if you want it enough
These tracks sum it up.
Fear of instability is a hard one to conquer, Letting go isn’t always easy. No excuses just expressing my current state of transitioning.
Have you ever felt yourself slipping away? I am, I mean, I was slipping away
But no matter what I am I’m me, and I know me so I’m ok
Have you ever felt yourself slipping away? you are, I mean, you were, slipping away
But no matter what you are you’re you, and you know you so you’re ok
I wish you the best of luck in your pursuits, Im not fond of military ideals but I do respect the Physical and mental strength one most achieve to succeed within their ranks.