Sadly I think the U.S. is past the point of no return . It’s far safer to own a gun than not own one in the US . To the point you would be an idiot not too own one .
So even with a cezch gun control style system . I don’t think it would help the U.S. in anyway because as has been stated many times before a criminal isn’t going to hand in his weapons . They are just too wide spread .
Correct me if I’m wrong but it is a definition of mass murder, not mass shooting.
Russia has higher murder rate than US and that without large number of civilian owned guns. I wouldn’t just make the direct link there.
It would likely take 20 years after implementation to see a difference. But more importantly, there is no way around 2A.
Meanwhile in Prague news today:
A man and woman from Australia, unknown to each other, fly for holidays to Prague. By chance, they meet in hotel. Happy to see another Aussie, somewhere along the sightseeing tour they decide it is a good idea to fuck (no condom) in the street in the middle of a road. Cops come, guy attacks them, cops take him, find out he’s got AIDS.
Nothing makes Aussie’s holidays like flying over half-a-globe to catch AIDS from a fellow native.
Back to fucking my hand? I dont understand, what do you mean by “back to”.
Like my other hand?
“But that was just the one time when you were broken in plaster
It meant nothing baby, you have to understand!!!
The left hand means nothing to me!!”
For instance one article says a twelve year old boy was shot in Florida. How the fuck is that a mass shooting? Also two people shot is considered a mass shooting in your article. Yet if two people are stabbed it’s not called a mass stabbing.
4 or more people shot is a mass shooting.
Again i repeat. Most of these mass shootings are also happening in gun free zones, which means they’re illegal weapons.
you would think so yes , but no thats the FBI’s definition of a mass shooting .
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Russia has higher murder rate than US and that without large number of civilian owned guns. I wouldn’t just make the direct link there.
[/quote] yes , i believe its as much a culture issue as it is a gun issue . from an outside view point i think both russia and the US , mexico etc give the impression of quite a violent culture among them . i dont think you find that as much in Europe. not to say other course Europe doesnt have its fair share of blood hungry maniacs because it sure does .
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It would likely take 20 years after implementation to see a difference.
[/quote] id suspect much longer . look at the UK for example it took us close to 100 years to finally see a drop in gun crime . during the 50’s to the 80’s guns were very easy to get hold of here and organised crime was very visible .
look at the Kray twins for example . they were a mafia by every standard and a ruthless one by that (if you got in their way ) and they had huge access to a huge range of weapons .
so its only in the last 20 odd years we have really started to get gun crime to a "comfortable " level .
can you link me please and what number shooting it is on the list 
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4 or more people shot is a mass shooting.
[/quote] indeed and thats what that first source is going from . so as i said .
214 mass shootings in the US in 2015 alone . not a single one on the list where less than four people have been wounded or killed .
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Again i repeat. Most of these mass shootings are also happening in gun free zones, which means they’re illegal weapons.
[/quote] you keep using this but its pointless having a gun freezone in the middle of a guns allowed zone and nothing stopping you from going between the two zones with a gun . so its pointless having them .
you either go every state has gun controls or none at all . there is no point having one state guns allowed and the one next to it there not allowed when there is no border control where they stop guns coming into the gun free zone .
does that make sense ?
what a good point . done nothing but add credit for your country . i dont understand the hate towards him
Go through and look. There are over a dozen with only two people shot, how is that a mass shooting?
Nope, the guns used in the shootings in gun free zones are from the gun free zones, usually illegal weapons. A lot of gangs do get their weapons from Mexico though. which proves my point criminals don’t follow laws.
A gun ban would have no affect on most of the people committing the murder (95% of the murder are gang shootings). Gangs are the real problem not guns.
My state is a million times safer than say Illinois where guns are banned. But in my state there are very few gun restrictions aside from the 10 round mag limit.
Troll harder plz. You already told me that your way of pissing me off was praising Obama.
But since we’re on topic, that’s great that he’s jumping on the climate change band wagon. Either shut the fuck up about oil and coal destroying the earth, or come up with something we can convert too. Because lets face it all other cleaner energy sources are not efficient enough.
Well, the technological progress needs to be jumpstarted to get there. Same as it got jumpstarted in the 50s and 60s through the space programs.
The main issue is that the dirty energy is so cheap because its price doesn’t reflect externalities costs. For example the area I come from was totally devastated by black coal mining. The government is pushing shitload of money in order to make it somewhat liveable, and I don’t mean only environment, but societal costs too. If that was reflected in the price of coal from the beginning the mining would have probably stopped 40 years ago.
Add to that the bill we are about to pay through climate change (and I think that by now it is pretty stupid to claim that there is none) and it is easy to see that the dirty energy ain’t so cheap after all.
US and Europe has enough money to lead the way and once clean technology costs go down here the third world will jump up on it too.
but this is my entire point . what stops you from taking a rifle and driving into Illinois and blasting up a school ? nothing .
what stops you from taking a rifle and flying into the UK ? the border and customs . you cant have a gun free zone if you have no way of stopping guns from flowing in and out of it . its pointless .
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A gun ban would have no affect on most of the people committing the murder (95% of the murder are gang shootings). Gangs are the real problem not guns.
[/quote] yes i agree in the US at current . thats because there are millions upon millions of guns in the system meaning a large number find there way onto the black market . through theft etc criminals dont make guns , every gun was legal at one stage . correct ?
thats basic logic . but of course the criminals have the guns now so it would take well over 100 years to slowly reduce the number criminals have access too as it did here
nuclear power i think is the only real solution to meet the worlds demands . and its getting safer by the day . wouldnt surprise me if one day cars are run on a small nuclear reactor .
just getting the tech to shrink one small enough and make it safe
Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all have murder rate above American. (Wink at their Russian minority and Russian mob problems)
We had 2.5 times higher murder rate before CC became shall issue and number of gun owners trippled.
Why is British Virgin Islands so violent? 8 times the UK mainland rate.
Montserrat - Twenty times
Up until the moment you start looking for a place where to put the nuclear waste for 500.000 years to decompose.
I really believe in solar, once the panel prices shrink and things like tesla bateries also become cheaper, it will be the way.
are you aware of where the british virgin islands are ? answer all your questions . its in the fucking Caribbean . crime is rife and has fuck all to do with the UK apart from its name . we dont really have much control over our oversea territories in practice. they decide their own laws
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Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania all have murder rate above American. (Wink at their Russian minority and Russian mob problems)
[/quote] all indeed have massive organised crime issues , id be surprised if you couldnt add Bulgaria and Albania to that list .
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Up until the moment you start looking for a place where to put the nuclear waste for 500.000 years to decompose.
[/quote] well this is the issue that would need to be addressed .
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I really believe in solar, once the panel prices shrink and things like tesla bateries also become cheaper, it will be the way.
[/quote] unreliable . not as bad as wind which is a bout as efficient as a chocolate dildo
if you think you’re having a bad day , think of this guy who set off the fire suppression system in this hangar and foamed 10 aircraft.
A nice fantasy, how ever the oil industry is too powerful and too corrupt. There has been several cases where people have come up with extremely efficient engines, or alternate energy sources, only to be killed, or bought off by the oil company.
Hell there are a lot of people who think oil is actually renewable (check out the myth of fossil fuels) but the oil company claims they have a limited amount to keep the prices jacked up high. They already do this by lying about how much they have in reserve.
Except that almost never happens. Chicago and Detroit violence is committed by people living there with illegally obtained weapons.
You live on a damn island, i live in a huge ass country with the most violent country in the world right next door. Again we’ve been over this the U.K is not hardly crime free so quit acting like it is.
Nope not every gun, illegal gun manufacturing is actually a booming business in places like Mexico and parts of the U.S.
95% of the murders are gang murders. The gangs are getting their guns from out side the country, or illegal gun dealers, cut that supply and boom. Do you realize how much that would fix things?
If 95% of our murder rate was cut? That would put on on par with most European countries, despite us being 5 times larger than the most populace countries in Europe.
Gangs are the issue here not the guns. No gang member can get a gun legally their records are so fucked up that would be arrested on the spot. Hence why they need to get guns illegally.
Lol then why did you tell me the Falklands had a seat in parliament and was so important to Britain?
So those countries are absolutly tiny compared to the U.S yet have higher murder rates.
And as for organized crime, yes we have a huge problem here. That’s where almost all the murders are coming from, we need to get rid of those fuckers instead of going after law abiding gun owners.
Sending it to space was thought to be a good idea for a while, how ever to even send a tiny amount of waste would be billions of dollars, not to mention the risk if the shuttle carrying the waste blew up or crashed.
I agree with @snejdarek on nuclear waste, it’s very dangerous and the waste is a problem we have yet to solve.
Yes not to mention wind turbines are horrible for the local wild life.
Bulgaria is actually just double the British rate. Albania is right there over US, but I intentionally omitted non-EU countries.
And then there is that. The US white murder rate is on par with Czech 1994 rate, i.e. 3 times higher than today’s, over twice higher than UK’s.
I’m just going to come out and say. Fucking niggers 
No but seriously that’s obscene. They are 13% of the population and they commit the majority of the murders. Disgraceful.
dammit !