I think it is also a deeper issue of personal philosophy. My country is 90% atheist, Poland is 90% Catholic. Czechs distrust any government, Poles stand behind their government. Czechs prefer to rely on themselves, Poles apparently like being part of “something bigger”, even if it is airsoft militia. Nationalism is next to non-existent in my country, and it is very much alive in Poland.
The issue I see with all these sort of organisations is the actual people in them . Would they all actually be willing to fight or are they just there for a bit of fun . Why don’t they just join the army ? I’d like to think the vast majority would do as they say they would but I think a chunk are in it for the wrong reasons .
When you join the army you join with the knowledge you WILL be sent into real combat . Where as a militia you don’t so I think it attracts the sort of person who likes the idea of the army but wouldn’t be willing to do the actual war part .
Well your country has the tendency of sending soldiers to all kind of wars, mainly where the US sends you.
Here in Central Europe we don’t have that long standing history. Joining army could very well mean being a member of armed forces for decades with no real engagement. That may suit some, but most people of the sort that join this kind of militia want to pursue lives outside of military, and just be simply ready for the worst.
I am not looking forward to anything coming from East, but I will be getting sniper rifle to be ready should it come. I’ll let others spend their lives being commanded there and forth between military bases.
I think you will find article 5 of the NATO agreements was triggered by the U.S. following 9/11 and it was taken as an attack on all member states . your nation came as well .
For me it’s all about protecting the person next to you who is unable to fight .
Out of every film quote in history this will go down as the truest in existence
“When I get home and people ask me,'Hey, Hoot, why do you do it, man? What are you? Some kind of war junkie? I won’t say a goddamn word. Why? They won’t understand. They won’t understand why we do it. They won’t understand that it’s about the men next to you. And that’s it. That’s all it is.”
WW2 , WW1 was not one by single men locking themselves in a house with a rifle . it was one by groups of men banding together and fighting for EVERYONE’S freedom not just their own . i find it very tragic that so many people have become so selfish
he is german , thats what they do best 
Well in response to that post. I can hold my head up high, because i don’t have any control over drone strikes. I hate our government, and i know they have killed many innocents. But I’m not responsible for the actions they commit.
"loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government only when it deserves it. - Mark Twain.
And if that poster is a European, he can shut his trap, chances are his country has done god awful things as well.
Interesting story behind it. A fire was started near their munitions and the explosion, may have taken out one of their military super computers.
It makes you wonder if someone else had a hand in it.
Oh i see, my eye sight is pretty bad 
Depends on the country, American militias defiantly would fight if it came down to it. But most militias here are ex military.
Please, the intelligence about Iraq having WMDs came from the fucking U.K. We did not hardly force you into that war, you came willingly. Your government along with ours still stands by the invasion, so the blame is not all on the U.S.
Our governments were working together to further their personal interests.
never said it was , never questioned any part of it but the triggering of article 5 was more to do with Afghanistan than iraq .
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Our governments were working together to further their personal interests.
[/quote] of course George bush and Tony Blair . planned and sold that war together and now both are millionaires living the life
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That’s not even the right post, Its the large highlighted response to that post. Here Ill make it less complicated for you. This is the Post I was referring.
Your link sent me to that first post.
Fucking Reddit.
How do you as a people walk around head held high, knowing that every few months you are committing a 9/11 event to other people. Imagine if the 9/11 terror attacks were happening in america every few months. Again and again, innocent people dying all around you. Your brothers and sisters. For no reason.
[quote= mopecore]Many of us are unable. Many of us watched 9/11, and accepted the government and media’s definition of the attack as a act of war rather than a criminal action. A smaller portion, drifting along passively thought a major war was coming, that people we knew were going to fight and die. Some of us maybe worried about our younger brother being drafted, despite being in college. Now, it seems stupid, but in the 72 hours after 9/11, some Americans, maybe suffering from depression, certainly with a mind shaped by comic books and action movies, ate up the “us vs. them” good vs. evil rhetoric spouted by the cowboy in chief. After all, he was the president, and no matter how bright you might think yourself, you can still be swayed by passion and emotion, led to terrible decisions.
Some of us, therefore, left our dorm rooms, and walked down Main Street to the recruiter’s office. Some of us were genuinely surprised the office wasn’t full to bursting of young men eager to avenge their fallen countrymen. Some of us were genuinely surprised when we had to push the recruiter to stop trying to sell desk jobs and just let us join the damn Infantry.
Some of us got enlisted, then, and went down to Georgia, head high to mask the anxiety and fear they might have helped. Perhaps some number of Americans in this situation discovered that maybe it hadn’t been the best idea, but would be goddamned if they were going to admit it, and let everyone back home smuggly remark on how right they were.
So they persevere. They learn to work as a unit, to look past personality issues, to see each other as Soldiers rather than as a race, or economic status, or any of the other things people hate about each other.
They learn to kill.
Then some of these people, perhaps while sitting hungover in the platoon area in the Republic of Korea hear that we have invaded Iraq. They have “Big Scary Bombs”, and Saddam Hussein, the secular Arab dictator had somehow colluded with the devoutly religious OBL to attack the US. They hated our freedom, you see.
Then some of these young American men might transfer back to Georgia and be assigned to the 3rd Infantry Division, and end up in Iraq in January of 2005. And maybe these kids, still drunk on Fox News and fantasies of glory and renown being enough to win their ex-girlfriends back, are excited to go to Iraq. Sure, we hadn’t found any WMDs yet, and we had Hussein in custody, but they were still somehow a threat and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into Jeffersonian democracy. Inside every dirka is a good American, yearning to be free.
So you fight. You kill. Watch friends die. Its usually quick, almost never quiet, but for the rest of your life, when you remember sitting at the bar with them, they’re blown open. You picture the nights you spent downtown at Scruffy Murphy’s, but instead of the stupid hookah shell necklace, your boy’s jaw is blown off, and his left eye is ruined, and he’s screaming.
You fight, you kill, you watch friends die, and you notice a distinct lack of change. You kick in doors and tell terrified women to sit on the floor while you and your friends ransack their home, tearing the place apart, because they might be hiding weapons. There is no reason to believe this house in particular is enemy, same for the next one, and the one after that, or the seven before; they just happened to be there, and maybe they had weapons. Probably not, they almost never did. There were a few times when we had deliberate raids based on solid intel and we’d turn up some stuff, but generally we were just tossing houses because we could.
Then maybe your FISTer forgets to carry the remainder, and drops a mess of mortars on the village your supposed to protect. Maybe the big Iraqi running at you screaming was just mentally ill. Of course, you won’t know this until after you’ve but seven rounds through his ribcage, and his wailing, ancient mother is cradling his body, spitting at you.
Maybe when you get back to the FOB, the Platoon Sergeant tells you you did the right thing; next time, it might be a suicide bomber. They tell you it was an honest mistake, it wasn’t your fault. They tell you to go get some chow, take a shower if the water works, and sleep it off. You did good work that day, apparently.
During chow, the TV is on AFN, and they are rebroadcasting some Fox News show, and you’re hearing about drone strikes, and all the great things we’re doing, and you can’t help but see that poor dumb assholes face, looking past his mother as he bleeds to death. He’s in pain, obviously, but he has the most perfectly confused look on his face. He doesn’t comprehend what’s happening. Little more hot sauce on your eggs doesn’t really help.
Then you realize you haven’t seen anything to support the idea that these poor fuckers are a threat to your home. You look around and you see all he contractors making six figure salaries to fix your shit, train Iraqis, maintain the ridiculous SUVs the KBR dicks ride around in. You consider the fact that every 25mm shell costs about forty bucks, and your company has been handing those fuckers out like shrapnel flavored parade candies. You think about all the fuel you’re going through, all the ammo and missiles and grenades. You think about every time you lose a vehicle, the Army buys a new one. Maybe you start to see a lot of people making a lot of money on huge amounts of human suffering.
Then you go on leave, and realize that Ayn Rand has no idea what the fuck she’s talking about. You realize that Fox News and Limbaugh and John McCain don’t respect you or your buddies. They don’t give a fuck if you get a parade or a box when you get home, you’re nothing to them but a prop.
Then you get out, and you hate the news. You hate the apathy, and you hate the murder being carried out in your name. You grew up wanting so bad to be Luke Skywalker, but you realize that you were basically a Stormtrooper, a faceless, nameless rifleman, carrying a spear for empire, and you start to accept the startlingly obvious truth that these are people like you.
Maybe your heart breaks a little every time some asshole brags about a “successful” drone strike.
Your statement is correct enough; if all of America was one dude, that dude would not give a shit about the little brown people we’re burning and crushing and choking to death. We aren’t all like that, but it makes me incredibly, profoundly sad to see what my country actually is.
Some of us care, and I think there are more every day.
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That was Afghanistan. After 9/11. With Article 5 invoked.
But Iraq was a different story alltogether.
Iraq. Over a million dead civilians as the outcome.
4 of my great-grandfather’s cousins were executed for taking part in the resistance. I have never advocated locking self in a house with a rifle. I just know that as the country simply can’t train, equip and send to front everyone, it needs to let anyone and everyone to have a fighting chance once they are behind the enemy lines. That is of course something unimaginable for someone living in a safety of an island.
Well said.
It looked pretty real, it’s not on you. I think the German film makers also thought it was real and they were shitting their pants as the kid was pointing it at all sorts of directions.
@McWonderBeast - the rape and atheists
Read this:
“He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her. When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.”
“In much the same way as specific Bible passages were used centuries
later to support the slave trade in the United States, the Islamic State
cites specific verses or stories in the Quran or else in the Sunna, the
traditions based on the sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad, to
justify their human trafficking, experts say.”
And this comment:
Did this happen under Saddam Hussein? Is it the policy of the Baath Party in Syria? Is it the custom in Iran?
Makes one wonder, does it not? What has our interference in the Middle East accomplished to date?
You have already admitted defeat then . By that statement . Every man must defend his home on the front line in the event of an invasion . So that your home does not become behind enemy lines in the first place .
It’s unimaginable for us because we have always kept our enemies far from
Our homes .
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4 of my great-grandfather’s cousins were executed for taking part in the resistance
[/quote] You’re not your grandfathers cousins .
Glad to hear it …
Was it you or was it the water really?
Ah, OK.
Ah @TheDivineInfidel, you’re such a brit. Your ancestors underestimated militias too, and their arrogance costed them the war.
No it was . Us .
Where did we fight the Germans in WW1 ? Mainland Europe .
Where did we fight the Germans in WW2 ? Mainland Europe .
Where did we fight the French in the napoleonic wars ? Mainland Europe
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Ah, OK
[/quote] I can say we because I fought for my country and have done exactly what I’m preaching .
The Germans sent the British fleeing across the English channel, where they pretty much kept you for the majority of the war. The only thing that saved them was the fact that the Germans could not follow, and the constant supplies the U.S sent.
At least we turned up on time
What exactly do you mean by that?