#6173

left wing cunts shut down :slight_smile:

watch it all , worth the watch or at least the good bit at 3:40 onwards

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#6174

Same tactic they use here. If you aren’t left winged you’re labled as a racist, red neck, KKK member, Fox news loving, gay hater, radical Christian shit lord, who has never been educated. :smile:

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#6175

warning ! you may want to head but the stupid laughing bitch

#6176

ive posted this before but it never gets old :slight_smile:

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#6177

EU parliament vote can’t force a nation state to adopt EU primary law legislation. EU parliament has no say about EU law primary legislation.

That only means that the process continues. It is completely up to Ireland whether they decide to retake the referendum immediately, in 10 years or never. They decided to retake it immediately, with different conditions put forward in the referendum.

It was completely up to the Irish whether they accept what they are offered or not, notwithstanding whether they were offered that once or repeatedly.

You obviously don’t see a difference between “having a right” and “having a chance”. Right now these 2 million Brits have the right to live and work in EU countries. Once the UK leaves EU, they might have a chance. Or not.

The first thing Czech authorities did when the crisis struck here was stop issuing work permits to non-EU foreigners. Had UK not been in EU, this guy would have most likely been already out. Possibly forcibly deported, because as I mentioned, our authorities don’t fuck around with illegals (and he would be illegal once the permit lapsed).

#6178

no no no . you chose to ingore the point . ALL NATIONS MUST AGREE FOR IT TO GO AHEAD . not "lets reword it but change nothing " and force a vote into your favour the people voted no in the first place . which should of stood . not "lets keep voting until i get my way "

i find it sickening anyone can defend the actions of the EU

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6177, topic:21032”]
That only means that the process continues. It is completely up to Ireland whether they decide to retake the referendum immediately, in 10 years or never. They decided to retake it immediately, with different conditions put forward in the referendum.
[/quote] why should they retake it ? they voted no end of the treaty should of been scrapped . thats it . all nations must agree . they did not . they were ignored . undemocratic piece of crap .

the eu at the time was meant to function on the fact of unanimous approval of all member states for any changes to go ahead .

they voted to ingore the will of the people . sugar that undemocratic turd in which ever was you like but its there in black and white

"The European Parliament undertakes to respect the outcome of the referendum in Ireland’.

(499 to 129) European MEPs voted against the motion and the referendum was not upheld by the European parliament

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6177, topic:21032”]
You obviously don’t see a difference between “having a right” and “having a chance”. Right now these 2 million Brits have the right to live and work in EU countries. Once the UK leaves EU, they might have a chance. Or not.
[/quote]correct . this is the way it should be .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6177, topic:21032”]
The first thing Czech authorities did when the crisis struck here was stop issuing work permits to non-EU foreigners. Had UK not been in EU, this guy would have most likely been already out. Possibly forcibly deported, because as I mentioned, our authorities don’t fuck around with illegals (and he would be illegal once the permit lapsed).
[/quote] and thats up for your nation to decide whats in YOUR nations interest

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#6179

Let’s say I send you a letter, offering to buy your house.

You send me letter back that you are not selling.

I send you the offer again.

Now, am I forcing you?

On the base level, I agree with you. In reality, however, as you said - all countries must agree. If Ireland decided to either stand by the original referendum or just do nothing, the Treaty would not have been adopted. Simple as that.

That is completely up to them. UK also didn’t join EU at first attempt, but changed mind later. Does it mean you were forced?

And what did it mean materially? It meant that the process is still open. Whether the Irish want to take part in it or not was up to them. They made their decision.

Is holding an early election also against democracy in your opinion?

Yeah, all I pointed out was the case of a Brit who lives and works in my country based on EU law and who cheers for UK to leave the EU… not realizing that his right to live and work here would evaporate.

Otherwise no argument there.

#6180

no its more like this .

you put in an offer for the house .

i say no deal .

you decide you’re going to ignore me and move in anyway .

then at the last moment force me to agree to your terms of the basis of some bullshit promises . when n reality your offer has not changed at all you have just reworded it .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6179, topic:21032”]
That is completely up to them. UK also didn’t join EU at first attempt, but changed mind later. Does it mean you were forced?
[/quote] the EU parliament bullied Ireland into holding a second one

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6179, topic:21032”]
Is holding an early election also against democracy in your opinion?
[/quote] how can you even sit there and make that comparison . when in reality its a bit more like the people voting out the current government and them turning around and saying "no you dont know what your talking about " and refusing to step down :slight_smile: .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6179, topic:21032”]
Yeah, all I pointed out was the case of a Brit who lives and works in my country based on EU law and who cheers for UK to leave the EU… not realizing that his right to live and work here would evaporate.

Otherwise no argument there.
[/quote] its irrelevant . i dont care if it was my fucking mum . its up to your country to decide if she is welcome to live and work in YOUR country .

#6181

which is shouldnt of been . the first vote was not recognised because it did not go in the EU favour .

you know , i know it , my neighbours cat knows it

#6182

How exactly is that applicable to the Lisbon treaty? Without Irish ratifying the Treaty, it would never come to force, no matter whoever said whatever whereever.

Oh come the fuck on. “Bullied”? Do you realize that Ireland is a sovereign country?

But what it meant materially? Nobody could force Irish to do jackshit.

#6183

correct . the irish people voted no . the EU did not recognise the vote and forced the irish government to hold another one built upon a load of promises but the treaty was never edited in any way . in other words the EU sold them the same shitty deal with a different banner .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6182, topic:21032”]
Oh come the fuck on. “Bullied”? Do you realize that Ireland is a sovereign country?
[/quote] it was . once

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6182, topic:21032”]
But what it meant materially? Nobody could force Irish to do jackshit.
[/quote] political pressure was used by the EU to force the Irish government to hold a second vote

President Sarkozy is planning a visit to Dublin in December “with a message for the Irish”, by which time the Lisbon Treaty is expected to have been ratified in all EU countries except Ireland.
“It is clear that the only question over a second referendum for Sarkozy is that of timing,” said one MEP at the lunch.

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#6184

have a good watch of this

so lets recap

Ireland votes no

eu response "we are going to go ahead anyway "

that was the intimidate response . they spat in the Irish peoples face

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#6185

The Irish didn’t technically vote on the Treaty, but on amendment of their national constitution through which the Treaty was to be adopted.

That amendment did in fact change.

I am not sure what that means in Ireland, but in the Czech Republic, the fundamental rights in the Czech constitution take precedence before EU law. I suppose it is similar in Ireland.

So you are not right, Irish did vote on an amended proposal.

As regards “empty promises”, ultimately the Court of European Union is there to enforce EU law and to interpret the Treaty. It is quite hard to imagine interpretation vis-a-vis Ireland that would go against what was dealt (as long as it is not against the clear wording of the Treaty).

Incorrect. The response was “we won’t close the process because of that”. The way Irish deal with it was up to them.

The same as it is up to UK whether it wants to be in the EU or not.

#6186

or how about this one from a lovely EU statesmen

one people one empire one leader

Martin SCHULZ president of the European parliament

sound familiar ?

it should it was a NAZI slogan

‘One People, One Nation, One Leader’

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#6187

so your going to go ahead anyway ? as i said .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6185, topic:21032”]
As regards “empty promises”, ultimately the Court of European Union is there to enforce EU law and to interpret the Treaty
[/quote] the promises were never made to law because nothing was changed they simply
glittered it better

ahh i see you speak the EU bollocks language well . the referendum was for a vote on the Lisbon treaty as required by the an irish supreme court ruling which ruled that any major changes to eu treaties would have to be subject to a referendum .

irrelevant of what they called it . the vote was for the treaty . it was likely worded as such to confuse the voter on what they were voting on .

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6185, topic:21032”]
The same as it is up to UK whether it wants to be in the EU or not.
[/quote] and hopefully we will be gone and leave you to your soviet union mark 2

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#6188

@snejdarek @TheDivineInfidel

So this “good christian black honor role student” who is a friend of Michel Browns was shot, after shooting at police, during a Michel Brown memorial march… Would you consider this racist police brutality? :smiley:

Edit: this event was even caught on camera! But im sure they will still loot and riot ! :smiley:

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#6189

yes the officer who likely has a family of his own should of let the black male kill him . damn murderous cops , defending themselves and shit

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#6190

MLK didn’t die for this racist bullshit, smh.

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#6191

And the best part is the fucking dumb ass fired at cops in full fucking gear, who were armed with full auto assault rifles. I mean, how fucking stupid are they?

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#6192