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How do they even know there are that many rapes if they’re not reported. IT just goes to show they make up bullshit statistics.

quit with the bullshit . we all know thats a lie . :slight_smile:

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you can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun with nothing more than a back ground check .

the problem with the US is the second amendment . you have made it a right to own a firearm when it shouldnt be . it should be a privilege . the same as owning and driving a car is .

but let me go deeper here . The US population (from my point of view ) see’s the gun as a symbol of freedom more than an object of protection and enjoyment .
too me i find that stupid at best that you feel your symbol of freedom in a materialistic object , which hold no real power of its own .

let me explain why i feel this .

with @snejdarek i can clearly see , he knows his guns , he enjoys his guns , he feels safe carrying a gun .

but with you (and basically every american who engages in this debate ), you seem to bring the argument down to the same old “FREEDOM !!!” sort of approach and start screaming versus from the constitution and how its you free patriots versus the evil system .

so you bring the argument away from the actual chunk of metal into a more dynamic debate as if your entire identity as a free nation is tied to being allowed to own a gun , when its not .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6824, topic:21032”]
So she actually still has power? My god what is wrong with your country. No one should ever inherit power, if what you say is true you don’t live in a democracy.
[/quote] the queen officially holds all power , she is head of state . but she hands over 99% of these powers to parliament and the prime minster .

she holds on to just enough that our unwritten constitution can never be violated . that no dictator could ever take power .
for example the things you complain obama has done in terms of abusing his power , he simply could not do here . as laws require the royal approval to become laws . without her signature they’re not worth the paper they’re written on .

a number of years ago the prime minster attempted to take more powers of declaring war . much like obama has done(or attempting too ) in the US .

here the parliament approved . there was outrage . as there was in the US . so when the bill landed on the queens desk to sign . she screwed it up (not literally ) and threw it in the bin . as it went against our constitution .

so on the quick glance yes she is undemocratic . but if you actually look into it . in many ways she ensures my democracy and freedom

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6824, topic:21032”]
Ive told you time and time again. 90% of the gun crime in the U.S is committed by gangs, with ILLEGAL fire arms. More regulations would literally do nothing to impede them. It would only hurt people like me from obtaining fire arms.
[/quote] and ive told you time and time again the reason illegal guns are so easy to get hold of in the US is because guns are so wide spread .

guns are stolen , then sold of the black market and used to commit crimes . the vast majority of guns used by these gangs were legal at one point or another .

does the Czech republic have a huge black market issue ? does the UK ? does Germany ? does France ? no because they ensure the guns go to the right people .

its far easier for a million guns to disappear out of 300 million guns , than it is for a million guns to disappear out of 5 million

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6824, topic:21032”]
More regulations would literally do nothing to impede them. It would only hurt people like me from obtaining fire arms.
[/quote] in what way would you be impeded from owning a gun ? you claim you’re confident in using a gun safely . so you would have no issue passing an exam of gun safety or a weapons handling test would you ? no one is saying you should have laws as strict as ours but like the cezch republics .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6824, topic:21032”]
50 cals have a lot of paper work, along with auto matic weapons. You cannot just walk in and grab one off the self. Ive had several family members look into getting them and the process is lengthy and time consuming. Hence where there have been almost no mass shootings with legally obtained 50 cals or full autos.
[/quote] i think you have just proved my point right there .

read what you wrote here and connect the dots

seeing the pattern ?

https://video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xal1/v/t42.1790-2/11978987_1048763901803493_843249535_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjgxMywicmxhIjo1Nzl9&rl=813&vabr=452&oh=db24acd062c390a0d8443556dfd96675&oe=55E6128B

I CANT FUCKING WAIT ! :slight_smile:

“I want to protest against the mean and cowardly attitude adopted by the British press towards the recent rising in Warsaw. … One was left with the general impression that the Poles deserved to have their bottoms smacked for doing what all the Allied wirelesses had been urging them to do for years past,. … First of all, a message to English left-wing journalists and intellectuals generally: ‘Do remember that dishonesty and cowardice always have to be paid for. Don’t imagine that for years on end you can make yourself the boot-licking propagandist of the Soviet régime, or any other régime, and then suddenly return to mental decency. Once a whore, always a whore.’” –-George Orwell, 1 September 1944

@TheDivineInfidel

It seems left wingers have always been assholes. :smile:

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That is a common misconception You cannot become a lesser being through reincarnation.

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This is a very unenlightened view of the matter.

Abuse/Severe trauma is very hard to deal with personally and particularly difficult to discuss/express to a third party especially when fresh.

Sexual abuse, whether a single rape or long term is the most difficult to deal with. The sense of violation, fear, and existential quandaries that arise from the event are unfathomable unless experienced first hand.

On top of the things mentioned above Rape/Sexual abuse are highly stigmatized in our culture.

For women the perception has been that they lead someone on (whether through verbal or physical language, or they dress like they want it), even if this never happens to them they perceive that society will treat them this way.

Being a man the perception is, well your not a man if you allow someone to do that to you. There is also the perception that men enjoy sex to much to be raped.

For both sexes the fear of being treated differently or special because something traumatic has happened to them is strong.

Reporting is not the easiest thing to do.

There are many instances where an individual is raped and they confide in friend or family member but do not want it to report it to the police. The confidant will then attempt to file report on the victims behalf, the victim can report it or not either way it gets recorded (if the victim is unwilling to report it gets filed just without personal details).

When making statistics they also factor in and estimation based on how many reports aren’t until later date.

Statistics no matter what should always be taken with grain of salt.

@SirWarriant @TheDivineInfidel

It seems that Belgium has decided to go full UK but the local cops will have none of it.

Brussels police officers are in uproar this week since, as of next week, they will no longer be authorised to carry a weapon when on traffic duty.

http://brusselstimes.com/brussels/3968/brussels-police-protest-against-unarmed-traffic-duty

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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/09/foghorn/gun-review-cz-bren-805-ps1-pistol/

Nice review.I am still leaning towards AR 15 more, though.

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@thedivineinfidel

Oh, the outrage.

Completely depends on the state.

Lol, no that is not the issue. The 2nd amendment has been around since this countries founding, but the high number of mass shootings is a new thing.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to protect all our other rights.

I disagree. Everyone should have the right to defend their lives, not just the people running this country.

What do you see as a symbol of your freedom?
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Like is said the 2nd amendment was designed to protect all the others. The guys who came up with it had just fought a tyrannical government. Something they couldn’t do without guns.

Haha, what if a power hungry royal wanted power? What if the royal family was killed? There is nothing really stopping a your government from taking your rights.

There is a huge loop hole. We technically never declared war on any of the countries we invaded in the past 50 years. The president can still move troops there and order them to fight. Declaring war is just a formality.

No that’s not the reason.

No, no, and no. Sure some are stolen, but like ive said multiple times the vast majority come from outside the country mainly Mexico, where there is a huge illegal gun manufacturing business.

That’s what the government needs to go after, not legally obtained fire arms.

Are any of those countries the size of the U.S, and are any of those countries just north of dozens of third world countries run by cartels?

As for France, the Charlie Hebo terrorists got their guns from a fucking train station.

They have said multiple times, once we register your guns we take them. They are always pushing hard for it.

I’m ok with anti armour weapons being hard to get. But not small arms, and seeing how most crime is with illegal weaponry, the small arms process isn’t the issue either.

France, and especially Belgium, do have a huge gun black markets. UK is a bit better because it is an Island that is behind the La Manche.

I personally think that the tight access to legal guns in countries like France forces also law abiding citizens (typically small business owners) to obtain guns from black market for protection, and that in turn drives the offer of guns on black market and makes guns also more accessible to the criminals.

With my current license and permits, I could get .50 cal today right away. (With obligation to register it with police within 10 days).

Too bad the goddamn thing is so expensive :slight_smile: Maybe I need to go to UK to make some money first before they leave EU so that I can buy the .50 cal, what do you say @thedivineinfidel, would you rent me a room? :smiley:

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Ohh thank God . For a second there I thought you had minged out and wasn’t going to reply :slight_smile: I can’t wait to get home and debate your fat ass :slight_smile:

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Saw a barret at a gun show for 1,300 dollars. :smile: If i had the money and wanted to go through the pain in the ass process, and pay all the bullshit taxes, i would buy it in a heart beat.

A .50 cal here will set you back £30,000 . Totally worth it .

As for a room . One of the Lithuanians where I work was murdered on the weekend at his own birthday event by some gypsies , so you could take his room :slight_smile:

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I keep hearing about them. They sound like lovely people. :smile:

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What? That must be with night vision, lifetime warranty and lifetime supply of ammo, right? They start from € 6.000 here.

http://proarms.cz/katalog/e-katalog/katalog-zbozi/bushmaster/palne-zbrane2014-08-05-03-51-371774310116/puska-opak-bushmaster-model-ba-50-raze-50-bmg-pazba-magpul-prs-lw-hlaven-70-kufr-detail

Accuracy Internationals go for € 10.000, you fucking Brits are expensive:
http://proarms.cz/katalog/e-katalog/katalog-zbozi/accuracy-international/palne-zbrane2014-08-05-03-55-29102044400/puska-opak-accuracy-intl-model-ax50-raze-50-bmg-hl-27-sklopna-pazba-detail

What exactly happened there?

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