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#6874

not sure where i heard that from but i take it back .

start from about £4k

http://www.valmontfirearms.co.uk/barattfirearms.html

http://www.riflecraft.co.uk/brands/barrett-rifles-5.aspx

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6873, topic:21032”]
Accuracy Internationals go for € 10.000, you fucking Brits are expensive:
[/quote] you have to pay for true quality :slight_smile:

[quote=“snejdarek, post:6873, topic:21032”]
What exactly happened there?
[/quote] well from what i have heard , he was having a party for his birthday . a number of gypsies asked him to turn the music down . and he has told them no . (likely in not so polite terms ) and they have stabbed him .

so i take it he lived in a not so nice area . i know quite a few actually end up living on gypsy sites because they can rent a caravan for dirt cheap from them .

#6875

might join :slight_smile:

http://www.fcsa.co.uk/

#6877

please remember crime was not always recorded as well as it is today .

that being said i do believe its down to a cultural aspect of todays society which is far more dangerous that past generations .

while organised crime was more prolific in past generations , it seemed as long as you stayed out of there way they left you alone .

this is hugely visible in east london with the [kray twins][1] . who run the east of london basically . had a large gang . but while organised crime was an issue . petty crime was the lowest london had seen . why ?
because if you mugged an old lady you would have a knock on your door from the krays , who would kick your skull in .
so it just wasnt worth it for petty criminals . [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kray_twins

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
I disagree. Everyone should have the right to defend their lives, not just the people running this country.
[/quote] this does not require a gun . everyone has the right to travel . this doesnt mean owning a car is a right .

i greatly agree with the statement "guns dont kill people , people do "
which is why i dont think we should be banning any particular gun , magazine size etc . but simply ensuring only the right people have guns .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
The 2nd amendment was put in place to protect all our other rights.
[/quote] why do you need guns for this ? people power ensures this . not guns .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
What do you see as a symbol of your freedom?
[/quote] i dont see any particular object as a symbol of my freedom . feeling free is something you feel within yourself . having your freedom tied to an object , in my opinion means you’re not free at all .

being free to me is in the basics , being able to say what i wish . to express myself , to walk down the street without being hindered . to have a place in which i call home , to choose who governs me , to decide my own fate and future . to earn as much as i like , to travel the globe . etc .

being able to own an object is too materialistic to be true freedom . freedom is something you feel in the soul , not in the hand .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
Haha, what if a power hungry royal wanted power? What if the royal family was killed? There is nothing really stopping a your government from taking your rights.
[/quote] none of that could happen . no single British institution holds complete power .
to wipe out the entire royal family would be near on impossible . as not all our in the lime light . plus it would then go to other families linked to the royal families

.

the monarch could not take complete control .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
There is a huge loop hole. We technically never declared war on any of the countries we invaded in the past 50 years. The president can still move troops there and order them to fight. Declaring war is just a formality.
[/quote] our prime minster cannot . he cannot deploy troops without the head of states approval . but the head of state cant deploy troops without parliaments approval .

this may seem very complicated . so to put it simply

any government action , or law etc . requires 3 signatures in effect .

house of lords
parliament
head of states

without all 3 signatures it cannot take place . hence why no single institution holds complete power . there for my rights cannot be taken away

of course it is .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
No, no, and no. Sure some are stolen, but like ive said multiple times the vast majority come from outside the country mainly Mexico, where there is a huge illegal gun manufacturing business.

That’s what the government needs to go after, not legally obtained fire arms.
[/quote] a glock 17 is a glock 17 both come for a factory legally producing glocks

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
That’s what the government needs to go after, not legally obtained fire arms.
[/quote] of course , you must secure your borders as well . get proper customs etc

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
Are any of those countries the size of the U.S, and are any of those countries just north of dozens of third world countries run by cartels?
[/quote] ermms yes infact worse .
you dont seem to understand . there are NO borders in europe . if you land in Greece you can go all the way to france without seeing a single border checkpoint .

basically one large country .

what is europe connected too ? ukraine a large civil war . easy smuggling route .
through turkey , easily smuggling route .

through Morocco into spain , easy smuggling route .

across the med . easy smuggling route

on all of these routes they only have to get into europe . one border . thats it and they can go to any european nation without a single customs check .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
As for France, the Charlie Hebo terrorists got their guns from a fucking train station.
[/quote] yes smuggled from the middle east . but thats also down to france just having shit intelligence and security.

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6867, topic:21032”]
They have said multiple times, once we register your guns we take them. They are always pushing hard for it.
[/quote] what you on about ? whats so hard about applying for a certificate , doing an exam then purchasing a gun ?

#6878

OK, the cheapest I could find was for € 4.200.

http://www.prodej-zbrani.cz/kulovnice/steyr/Steyr-HS-50-a-Steyr-HS-460__s474x157p.html

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#6879

Mass shootings are recorded. And i repeat more have happened now in the last 10 years, than in the history of our country. So clearly guns, and gun laws are not the issue here.

And the right people do have legally obtained guns. It’s thugs that get illegally obtained weapons.

For most countries the people are un armed. There fore if the government decided they wanted to strip them of their rights, what are they going to do? Try to vote them out of power? They would just end up dead in a ditch or imprisoned.
We’ve seen this happen time and time again. Corrupt governments do not listen to votes, they don’t listen to petitions. The only way to effectively remove them is by force.

And there is nothing stopping the people running your country from taking your freedoms away from you. You think your little system of balanced government could stop it, well you’re flat out wrong.

The U.S has such a system. The Judicial, Executive, and Legislative branches are supposed to share equal power and balance each other out.

How ever now a days the Executive branch was managed over the past 30 years to obtain the majority of the power.

Doesn’t matter. All it takes is for one institution to become more power full than the others. Or they could force the others out of power, if they gained control of the military or police.

Yes they could. It may not be likely but they certainly could. You’re delusional, there has been plenty of times in history where systems like the U.Ks have out right failed, and been hijacked by a dictator.

Where are you getting Glock 17 from? Do you magically know that all gangsters use it?? China makes plenty of knock off guns, which then are sold to places like Mexico, which are then smuggled into the U.S. Or the Mexican army simply sells cartels weapons. The guns do not under any circumstances have to start legally.

There are thousands of Aks floating around in Mexico and the U.S right now, because Obama had the bright idea to sell weapons to the cartels in an attempt to track them. It back fired and people die every day now because of it. In fact the Garland terrorists (the ones who tried to shoot up the cartoon contest) got their weapons from this operation.

And if we did that. The source of illegal guns would dry up fast.

HAhah no.

Doesn’t matter, the countries are small enough in Europe to make it relatively easy to catch them. The U.S is fucking huge.

Add to the fact that if they were ever sighted with those guns they would be immediately set upon by police, because most countries you cannot own fire arms, so they would know they were illegal.

Thats a recent event though. Mexico has been fucked for at least 100 years. Thats 100 years they have been smuggling weapons in the country. 100 years to plan the perfect smuggling routes ect.

Your border patrol is obviously more effective than ours then.

Doesn’t matter. They were illegal weapons that did not start as legal weapons.

Clearly that isn’t needed. As the majority of our gun murders are committed by people who would never be affected by exams and such.

I wouldn’t mind you haveing to fill out some sort of form at the gun store, proving you know what you’re doing, and how to handle the weapons safely before buying it.

#6880

Still more expensive than ones in the U.S :sunglasses:

#6881

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
And the right people do have legally obtained guns. It’s thugs that get illegally obtained weapons.
[/quote] someone who has never seena gun in there life is not the right person .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
For most countries the people are un armed. There fore if the government decided they wanted to strip them of their rights, what are they going to do? Try to vote them out of power? They would just end up dead in a ditch or imprisoned. We’ve seen this happen time and time again. Corrupt governments do not listen to votes, they don’t listen to petitions. The only way to effectively remove them is by force.
[/quote] complete rubbish . you underestimate people power .
the government is nothing but old men in suits . the government remains powerful while the people allow it to be .

the people make up the army , the police , the secret service etc . when the people turn on the government . it is the government finds its self out numbered and over powered

“People shouldn’t be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
We’ve seen this happen time and time again. Corrupt governments do not listen to votes, they don’t listen to petitions. The only way to effectively remove them is by force.
[/quote] guns laws make no odds here . as i said . the army is made up of the people .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
And there is nothing stopping the people running your country from taking your freedoms away from you. You think your little system of balanced government could stop it, well you’re flat out wrong.
[/quote] the government does not have the power to take away my rights . end of they simply cannot even if they wanted too .

what part of that dont you understand .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
How ever now a days the Executive branch was managed over the past 30 years to obtain the majority of the power.
[/quote] dont judge other nations by your owns mistakes .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
Doesn’t matter. All it takes is for one institution to become more power full than the others. Or they could force the others out of power, if they gained control of the military or police.
[/quote] impossible . you dont get it do you . they simply cant take any more power .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
if they gained control of the military or police.
[/quote] its made up of the people . if you think for one minute a single member of the British or american military would turn upon the people they pledged to protect . you need to take a hard look at the people educating you .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
es they could. It may not be likely but they certainly could. You’re delusional, there has been plenty of times in history where systems like the U.Ks have out right failed, and been hijacked by a dictator.
[/quote] no they couldnt its impossible the monarch does not hold the power to do so . you might as well say i can take complete control as well .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
Where are you getting Glock 17 from? Do you magically know that all gangsters use it?? China makes plenty of knock off guns, which then are sold to places like Mexico, which are then smuggled into the U.S. Or the Mexican army simply sells cartels weapons. The guns do not under any circumstances have to start legally.
[/quote] you could split a hair into 12 parts .

i simply pulled a gun from random .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
HAhah no.
[/quote] ermm yes . have you seen the migrant crisis here ? people are able to get from syria to the calsis without passing through any border check

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
because most countries you cannot own fire arms, so they would know they were illegal.
[/quote] this is incorrect .

you mean in all countries firearms are regulated .

you seem to get regulated and banned mixed up .

a bit like the left wing get no immigrants and controlled immigration mixed up .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
Your border patrol is obviously more effective than ours then.
[/quote] again please refer to recent migrant crisis

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
Doesn’t matter. They were illegal weapons that did not start as legal weapons.
[/quote] of course they were , they started as legal weapons . they were built in a kalashnikov factory and sold on and eventually found there way into nasty hands .

[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6879, topic:21032”]
Clearly that isn’t needed. As the majority of our gun murders are committed by people who would never be affected by exams and such.

I wouldn’t mind you haveing to fill out some sort of form at the gun store, proving you know what you’re doing, and how to handle the weapons safely before buying it.
[/quote] you cant seem to comprehend . you see everything in black and white . by making guns harder to obtain . it has a knock on affect to the black market and squeezes the black markets supply of weapons also .

#6882

Again if what you said was true. If legally gun owners in America were so irresponsible, then they would be committing the majority of the murders, not the thugs.

Oh really so your protests and signs will be effective against bullets? The government has control of the military and police.

The police and military are paid by the government, trained by the government, lead by the government. Militaries, and police have fought their own people before. They have their own families to think about. And if the members of the military wont follow orders, they will be replaced. It’s happened time and time again in the past. The first thing Stalin did when he was in power was purge all the generals and replace them with people he trusted.

I’ll put a situation here for you. Lets say you were still active in the military. The government sends you to put down an insurrection, would you do it? If not you would be replaced simple as that.

You’re delusional, study history sometime. There have been perfectly functioning governments that have gone tyrannical before.

Alls it takes for the government to size power is to put fear in everyone. After 9/11 everyone was all too happy to accept things like the patriot act and NSA because it kept us safe.

What’s happening to the U.S can easily happen to any other nation.

This is why when a dictator takes over, he purges a lot of the military. And replaces it with people he trusts, who will fire on civilians. I have no doubt the vast majority of the U.S military would not turn on U.S citizens. But the government could easily find people who would.

Or even more possible in todays world, hire a PMC company to do their dirty work.

And i debunked your “all illegal guns start legal”. It’s not true. Making fire arms is relatively easy today if you have the right schematics and supplies. Countries like China, and South American countries make killings off of this.

Yes and thats been happening in the U.S for the past 30 fucking years. And there are arguably more people coming here too, whats worse is our government mainly Obama encourages illegal immigration.

You can’t own a fire arm for the purpose self defense, along with most other European countries.

Lol they were built in some country like Russia or Ukraine 20 years ago. In what way would passing gun laws affect the sale of illegal aks?

No it does it. IT only has an effect if the majority of the guns come from the legal market to begin with. Our problem is all the illegal weapons being smuggled in. Gun laws would have absolutely no effect on them, gangs would continue to get them, and citizens would have a harder time getting them.

#6883

my favourite picture of the london blitz

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nothing stands in the way of us having our morning cup of tea . not even the entire German air force :slight_smile:

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#6884

Yeah, that is what pisses me off. It especially pisses me off when it comes to the CZ gun maker.

CZ Scorpion EVO 3
Price in US: $ 800
Price here: $ 1.250

But I must admit now when looking at CZ BREN 805 that they sell cheaper in the Czech Republic than in US by about $ 100. I guess they hit a brick wall here with the initial army shipment getting bad rep and by now when they solved all the issues everyone in the market just goes to AR 15s or tacticool vz.58s.

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#6885

ohh joy . the missus has crashed her/our range rover .

thankfully not too badly but looks like a new bumper for fuck sake .

women = hassle

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#6886

What’s the gun the popo has at 0:23? Is that MP5?

http://video.idnes.cz/?idvideo=V150901_124823_zpravodaj_krr

#6887

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I can’t blame the gypsies. #TeutonicTeustronk #RemoveRomuva

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#6888

Quick glance it doesn’t look like one but I paused on it and it is .

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#6889

why does the second quote say i said that, i didnt say that, warriant did.

#6890

this post made me so happy. thank you divine infidel. :smile:

#6891

Cabellas actually has a new policy, or atleast the one where i buy my guns, that you have to learn the way the weapon works and then take a test on proper safety techniques and how to properly stow, carry and shoot the weapon.

#6892

nothing stops the milk man.

#6893

Are you telling me that Ms. Smith would be seriously fucked if she wanted to buy from Cabellas?

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/09/dean-weingarten/defensive-gun-use-of-the-day-first-time-shooter-drives-off-three-invaders/

Well, they fucked me over too when I wanted gun holsters to be delivered to Europe.

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#6894

That’s perfect . That should be law nation wide

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