no thats rubbish . being uneducated doesnt mean your a murderer does it ? just because you own a gun doesnt mean you’re going to go and shoot some random person .
http://nyagv.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Accidental-Shootings-NYAGV.pdf
what im talking about is people who dont store there weapons correctly when children are about or when they’re drinking .
people like that shouldnt own guns . they’re not fit to do so .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
The government has control of the military and police.
[/quote] incorrect . again you’re basing your argument against my nation on the situation in your own .
the UK parliament has zero authority of the armed forces of the UK .
as ive stated before i NEVER pledged an oath to the UK parliament . i swore an oath to the queen . her heirs and successors and the officers and generals above me . same with the police .
but then you may say "what if the queen ordered you too shoot protesters " the answer ? she doesnt have the power to do so . our constitution does not allow it .
our set up is very complicated . the queen can only deploy troops when advised by her minsters . but her minsters dont have the power to deploy troops without the queen authority .
think of it like a nuclear launch that requires multiple keys . they must all be turn at once for the missile to fire .
the only way what you are saying could EVER happen . was if the head of state , house of lords and parliament all went evil together or an armed revolution that over threw the government and installed a dictator .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
I’ll put a situation here for you. Lets say you were still active in the military. The government sends you to put down an insurrection, would you do it? If not you would be replaced simple as that.
[/quote] no i would not . and if i gave the order my men would not follow the order . neither would the generals above me .
as for me being replaced . the government does not hold the authority in the UK to replace me . the generals above me have that authority .
what you’re saying is 99.9999% impossible .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
Alls it takes for the government to size power is to put fear in everyone. After 9/11 everyone was all too happy to accept things like the patriot act and NSA because it kept us safe.
[/quote] again you’re basing your nation on mine . te new war powers in the UK were just after 9/11 here and they attempted to use the scare mongering tactic for that reason . as i said the proposals were tossed aside .
as the queen stated they did not align with the interests of the british people and its constitution .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
What’s happening to the U.S can easily happen to any other nation.
[/quote] any country with the same set up yes . but not the UK . the UK is a very complicated , odd system but works perfectly .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
This is why when a dictator takes over, he purges a lot of the military. And replaces it with people he trusts, who will fire on civilians. I have no doubt the vast majority of the U.S military would not turn on U.S citizens. But the government could easily find people who would.
[/quote] the army would turn on the government and an armed coup would take place .
a government without military support has no power .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
And i debunked your “all illegal guns start legal”. It’s not true. Making fire arms is relatively easy today if you have the right schematics and supplies. Countries like China, and South American countries make killings off of this.
[/quote] you debunked it in what way . ? are you disputing a criminals glock 17 was not produced by glock ?
home made fire arms do exist yes . but you know as well as i do the majority of crimes are not committed with home made weapons .
they’re committed with illegally obtained weapons , but not illegally produced weapons .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
Lol they were built in some country like Russia or Ukraine 20 years ago. In what way would passing gun laws affect the sale of illegal aks?
[/quote] so as i said the AK’s were legally produced and then legally sold by russia to basically anyone willing to take up arms against the west for very cheap .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
In what way would passing gun laws affect the sale of illegal aks?
[/quote] it wouldnt . correct guns laws must go in hand with other aspects . not simply passing a new law .
as ive stated before it would take many many many years for the US to balance it self again as it did the UK . you seem to forget . the UK used to make the US gun laws look strict .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:6882, topic:21032”]
Our problem is all the illegal weapons being smuggled in. Gun laws would have absolutely no effect on them, gangs would continue to get them, and citizens would have a harder time getting them.
[/quote] which is why guns laws go hand in hand with other aspects such as clamping down on smuggling .
lets be clear here , you will never get it too zero .
but again you’re confusing what im saying , im simply saying people should be educated before being allowed to purchase a gun
