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thats the most polite riot i have ever seen , just look at them , they have formed a orderly circle around the burning car and at a safe distance :stuck_out_tongue:

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thug life …

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We can agree however that the United States and the UK are as good as the other at burning shit down when we get pissed off :smiley:

I think its mainly the black people in the U.S who riot mostly. Its probably the same deal in the U.K

i was going to attempt to argue with you on that but i cant :slight_smile: 9/10 of the areas invloved in the UK riots (wasnt just in london ) were majority black areas not to say that no white people were invloved of course but the main bulk were black males claiming they were doing it because an armed black male was shot by police (identical to in the US ) . How they think burning peoples homes and shops is a reasonable form of protest i dont know.
only if they had lasted a day longer . the army was being prepared to be deployed on the streets . i was gutted when we was told we wasnt going in :stuck_out_tongue: nothing would have brought me greater joy than fucking up some scumbags

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Yeah and it doesn’t help that the media blasts these kinds of stories all over claiming they person who shot the black guy is a white racist. They just want an excuse to riot and loot and their leader Al Sharpten encourages them to do so.

Yeah and half the time they are burning their own neighborhood down. Like i said they like to destroy things. The only shops in Ferguson that weren’t turned to ash were the ones who had guns.

Yeah i laugh at all the picture of the fuckers with tear gas in their eyes writhing on the ground and then they go and call it “police brutality” after they just burned a building down. :laughing:
Now we wait for the people on this forum who live in all white countries to call us KKK members :wink: Talking to you @ThomasAagaard :wink:

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@TheDivineInfidel im sure you’ll enjoy this one :smile:

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I don’t live in pure white neighborhood. I meet and talk to people daily who (based on skin color, since that is the characteristic you mention) who have some sort of other background.

But 89.6% of the population in Denmark is danish (defined as having at least one parent who was born in Denmark and has Danish citizenship.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Denmark

Police brutality:
Try look at this movie:(sorry for the adds and it is in danish, but you will get the point)
http://ekstrabladet.dk/nationen/kridtbandit-smasket-af-betjent-nu-er-han-meldt-for-politivold/5431368
She ended up accusing the police officer of police brutality… so stupid. (the cases haven’t been closed yet)

Natually this weekend also had police armed with submachineguns all over Copenhagen… not something that is common.

Result of the the attacks on a freedom of speech debate and later on the Jewish Synagogue…

I call “racist” when someone write that ALL blacks/Muslims/ other ethnic group are criminals/terrorist.
Judging 1+ billion Muslims by the actions of a few makes no sense.

And I do question why the police in Ferguson ran around more heavily armed than soldiers paroling down town Bagdad… and pointing their guns at everyone… Most (western) soldiers are told not to point at anyone unless you plan to shoot them.

I never said all blacks were bad but the truth is the vast majority of them in the United States do like to riot and loot. If black person becomes successful then other blacks will say that they are trying to be like “crakas”. The sad part about Ferguson was that many black business were burned to the ground and many hard working black people lost years of hard work. Muslims are a different story. I’m well aware that only around 25% are considered extremists but this is a huge number. Also almost all Muslims believe in harsh punishments and that sharia law should be the law of the land. That scares me.

I do agree police in the United States should not be as well armed as a solider. The images and footage you saw were probably the national guard who are military. National guard get called in for a reason. Ferguson was a very dangerous situation that required the force to put the rioting/looting/ and vandalism down.

Black people in America jump on any black person being killed and call it a hate crime. Did you know that two months before Trayvon Martin was killed that a 12 month old white baby was shot in the face by black thugs. Why the hell wasn’t that all over the news?

This should explain what im trying to say. Its an excellent video.

http://america.aljazeera.com/content/dam/ajam/images/articles_2014/08/ferguson.jpg
The patch on the arms say “police” (easy to see on this picture: https://prod01-cdn02.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2014/08/ferguson-police.jpg)

the marksman providing overwatch I can understand.
But why are they pointing guns at a civilian with the arms up? I really don’t see how that helps calm the population.

I realize that is was a serious riot with a lot of destruction and with the number of firearms in the US, I can understand why the police did have a backup force with good firepower.
If part of Copenhagen ended up in a riot like it, Iam sure it would be handled with teargas and officers in riot gear. (and then if someone actually shot at the officers they would have the anti terror force as backup )

From some pictures It is pretty clear that our military special forces was also deployed in Copenhagen this weekend helping the police find the madman who attacked the debate and synagogue.
But they didn’t run around on the street pointing guns at random civilians…

I don’t think you quite realize how bad the situation actually was. Cops were getting shot and shot at. The national guard had to deploy armored vehicles because the situation got so hectic. Im sure the picture is blown out of proportion just like the Micheal brown case was.

Pretty much all of Ferguson was burning. I’m sorry but those black people are terrorists as far as im concerned. If i had a bunch of terrorists burning down my city i would bring in the national guard too. You bring up fire arms in the U.S. Funny thing is the police told the law abiding citizens to buy guns during the crisis because they couldn’t guarantee their protection. Another thing i might add is a lot of businesses in Ferguson were saved by the owners pulling guns on the rioters because they refused to let their hard work be destroyed by thugs.

The rioters were CIVILIANS!. You have one picture and paint all the cops at Ferguason as trigger happy morons. Please come back with more proof that cops went around pointing their guns at 'innocent" looters. The cops were probably also using on lethal rubber bullets. The person in the picture is probably far from innocent.

Well police were getting shot at. The forced used was justified. There were also many people from other towns looting their so the national guard were dealing with thousands of drunk/ high fuckers who were hell bent on destroying the town.

A 1 year old white child can get shot in the face in his stroller. But if some black fucker attacks a cop and gets shot everyone freaks the fuck out. I am so sick of stuff like this. One of Americas biggest problems is them catering to blacks and other minority’s.

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As far as I understand, the most problems are with 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants, which, by your definition, mostly fall into the bracket of Danish.

We can see that in Prague. We get thousands of Danish youth on holidays every spring. They often behave worse than football fans. We have hundreds of extra cops in the streets just because of them. There are also usually 3 Danish cops “helping”, or trying to mediate. Their policing seems to be more of the “old uncle giving advice”.

The problems is that you see that only AFTER the fact, when it is TOO LATE. Therefore I prefer to live in a society that is free to be armed. Any jew that goes to a synagogue in the Czech Republic can take a pistol, or two, or an SBR with him, if he feels he is in danger and takes the time to get the gun license. And I am sure quite a few do.

The opinion polls suggest that about 20% of muslims have views that are considered extremist by our civilization’s narrative. That is not a few.

It was apparent that the Fergusson police and state reinforcements did not have proper crowd control gear. Meanwhile, the US government is flooding local PDs with army surpluses. This is what you get.

Compare the two pictures:
http://america.aljazeera.com/content/dam/ajam/images/articles_2014/08/ferguson.jpg
Fergusson Police dealing with crowd


Czech Police dealing with crowd.

You can see that whatever the crowd throws at the cops (short of firearm shots) will hardly scratch them. Of course the American cops are running around pointing guns when guns are the only meaningful gear they have.

No, it is not justified in crowd situation. Unless you want to have a Bloody Sunday. US is not a British Monarchy where cops/soldiers can shoot indiscriminately into the crowd of hundreds from which a single individual fires a shot and then get a medal for it. That is what snipers behind the line of crowd control unit are for.

Exactly. That is inexcusable.

Copenhagen - The police at the synagoge was well armed, but when there are lots of people on the streets and one guy then pulls out two guns and starts shooting at close range it is hard to do anything about it, no matter what weapons you have.

Prague
It is so embarrassing… I do believe that it have gotten better during the last two years… At leat danish news mentioned that the numbers of of danes going was much lower this year than back in 2013 when it was really bad…
But yes way to many young Danes only know “Me, Me, Me”… I can only say that I was not raised like that.

Ferguson:
Yes I did notice the lack of riot gear on many pictures. And if the police is equipped an trained to handle ordinary non violent stuff and they got their SWAT to handle stuff involving a lot of guns I can understand why none of the two types of officers are able to handle a riot where the rioters use stones and bottles and and similar force that do not require the use of firearms to deal with it.

Danish police have actually stopped using shields, since they make you very defensive.
(hard to arrest anyone with a shield in the left hand and a baton in the right.

Now they mostly use “Hollændervogne” (Vans build for it) drive op to the main troublemakers, 10 officers jump out grap the main trouble makers in a crowd, pull them into the van and drive off.
By taking out the main persons they can usually break the moral of a crowd that way.

Much better than forming a line across the street and just stand there taking a beating from stones and other things thrown. (this was way they did it until 1993, when some police got intro trouble They ran out of gas, there where road work so the stones was lying in big piles and the line started to come apart and a lot of officers was getting hurt, so they ended up drawing their pistols. they first fired warningshots, but nobody noticed in the noise. and they ended up firing a total of 113 into the rioters… This made it crystal clear that a change of tactics an gear was needed.)

But about doing riot control with a hostile and armed population.
the danish army and other nato forces have done this in Kosovo Back around 2000-2001.
Where you got two ethnic groups that are very hostile to each other and at least one to the NATO forces. And a security force that is totally outsiders. Frontline is men with shields and “armour” and the APCs in the line to strengthen it.(they cant be pushed or tiped over like a van can) the NCOs and officers behind the lines got their rifles (ut not poining them at anyone) and further back you got more APCs with the heavy machinguns and marksmen on buildings.
So the main line is doing riot control with teargas and batons… but the support is armed to handle a firefight.

Off cause, this is likely a skills tht the danish army have lost today, after 10 years of focus on Afghanistan… where you do need a bit more than a shield and a baton to survive.

Yeah i dont agree with that i dont believe that cops need tanks thats what the National guard is for.

They’re not dealing with a crowd there is one person there. You guys are wrong about the Ferguson P.D not having riot gear they did have proper riot gear.

Yes police can be trigger happy in the U.S but this is mostly due to them not being prosecuted. Michael
Brown got what he deserved he attacked a cop and got shot. There are real cases of police brutality out there but Ferguson was not one of them.

The cops did not shoot hundreds of rounds into crowds. This picture much like the entire Michael Brown case was most likely blown out of proportion. I would like to read the story behind it because black people like to fabricate police brutality cases all the time to try and dismiss their criminal activity. There were plenty of riot methods used in Ferguson tear gas, rubber bullets, ect. On the contrary though the Ferguson thugs did shoot thousands of rounds at national guard and police lines. The people of Ferguson despite what people may think were not peaceful in any way shape or form. There only goal was to burn Ferguson and kill as many cops as they could.

If they truly were pointing at a random civilian and the person was doing nothing wrong then ill admit it was inexcusable.

There was plenty of riot gear used how ever and plenty of tear gas was shot to brake up rioting. How ever the national guard was sent there because martial law was declared. Standard riot gear and tear gas was not doing anything to brake up the rioting.

Also the person in the picture with the guns pointed at them was out when martial law was declared. There would only be one reason they would be out during Martial law and that is to steal/riot/loot.

But i dont like that America is turning into a police state. Home land security purchased millions of hollow points (used for shooting unarmored targets) and i dont think Home land security and police should have fucking APCs.

I’ve seen quite a lot of coverage from Fergusson and I’d say that very, very few cops had a proper riot gear. No, gas mask does not cover it.

http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/ferguson-police-2.jpg



None of the above makes it as a proper riot gear. I actually tried but can’t find examples of cops in Fergusson in proper riot gear (i.e. when they get hit by stone or a metal pipe to any part of body, it is covered to the point they will hardly notice). Plenty of aiming guns into the crowd, though.

The Czech police almost never use tear gas, only in the worst of riot situations. We had Nazi occupation and Soviet installed communist regime, tear gas is something people here have connected with the dictatorship.

When they need to break up the crowd, they usually throw a couple of stun grenades and run against the protesters. When that is not enough, they use water cannon. The next level is sending horse riders against the crowd. When 10 horses pace against you, suddenly the whole crowd finds a place and speed to get away.

Here the police clears street where right-wing radicals announced their march and people wanted to block them.

I doubt that would work here. From my experience, it is either entirely peaceful crowd resisting order to disperse, or crowd made up of 90% of hardcore radicals (football hooligans, right wing extremists).

In both cases you would need vans to basically arrest every single one of them. Only sometimes it is a situation where picking up individuals makes sense, like here:

Shooting individuals, that I can imagine. But barrage of fire into the crowd would mean instant end of whole police leadership, government, and the government parties never getting elected again.

Did you have armed police by the synagogue before the Paris attacks?

Do you have armed police by every synagogue, by every jewish school, by every single institution?

Do you have permanent presence of armed police at all soft target areas? I.e. major public transportation hubs (see London attacks), theaters (see Moscow attack), schools (see Beslan), etc. etc.?

Just this week the police arrested 5 Danish thugs who were robbing people at gun point in Prague … with an air soft pistol. It seems there are less of them in general but more violent ones.

And that in a country with legal concealed carry. FYI shooting them in self defense would be completely justified under local law as long as the victim would believe the gun is real.

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There havn’t been any need. This is the first time in 30-35years that an actual terror attack have happened.
But the response teams was readyso very shortly after the attack on the debate during the afternoon, there was police on the streets and at relevant targets, when he attack the synagogue around midnight there was police there. In the end it is a simple matter of cost and risk.
Our prime minister is well protected, but Lars Lykke who have been prime minister and is the leader of the opposition parties so might very well be again, he usually walk or take his bike to work…

Prauge - would have been better if the danes had been hurt… would have been a clear case of Darwinism…