The countless mass shootings that happen in gun free zones? If there was an attack like the one in Paris, people would surly die, how ever there would be 10 times less casualties due to the police being heavily armed, and the even the citizens being heavily armed.
Was Texas a soft target? Plus anywhere in the country the terrorists will go up against police with m16s.
You’re British that’s why. 11.4 million Americans do carry weapons to places like football games, and stuff like that.
Had this been a place like the U.S. There is potential for there to be multiple armed people in that place, not just one man.
And yet countless mass shootings have been stopped, by one determined citizen with a pistol.
So i guess it’s good that those people were disarmed? It would have been worse had they been armed?
Not 100% but i could potentially keep one in my car. And actually i probably could take an Ar to a bar or concert, since open carry is legal where i live.
Again i have never stated i wanted to be a “hero in shining armour” i simply stated i would rather have the chance to defend myself in those situations, instead of be slaughtered like cattle.
You have made your self clear on multiple occasions that you would rather be disarmed. The French police sure as hell did not protect these people, and they were denied the right to protect themselves.
gun free zone or not . people dont carry guns to concerts and out watching the football at a bar .
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Had this been a place like the U.S. There is potential for there to be multiple armed people in that place, not just one man.
[/quote] the vast majority wont be armed then out of the portion who are armed minus the people who wouldnt take the risk against such a well organised and numbered assault.
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So i guess it’s good that those people were disarmed? It would have been worse had they been armed?
[/quote] the laws of the land wouldnt of made any odds what so ever is my point because at the places they attacked where alcohol is being consumed , people enjoying themselves , no one would be armed regardless of the laws .
no individual with half a brain goes and gets drunk while carrying a weapon .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8827, topic:21032”]
Not 100% but i could potentially keep one in my car. And actually i probably could take an Ar to a bar or concert, since open carry is legal where i live.
[/quote] you COULD take it yes but WOULD you , standing at a bar with an AR over your shoulder ? i dont think so .
[quote=“SirWarriant, post:8827, topic:21032”]
Again i have never stated i wanted to be a “hero in shining armour” i simply stated i would rather have the chance to defend myself in those situations, instead of be slaughtered like cattle.
[/quote] you still would be . have you seen inside the theatre they attacked ? people are dancing basically shoulder to shoulder , hundreds of people .
you think , you would of been in any position to locate and return accurate fire ? not a fucking chance , not the most trained of individuals would be able to do so .
meanwhile all the gunman has to do is point his rifle and let rip into a crowd of 200+ people struggling to run . add to the fact he has surprise on his side as well as the power of a 7.62 round ? not a pretty scene
and you reckon ten times less people would of died ? so you think if people were allowed guns 12 people would of died ? are you dense ?
you would be far better as i said before , helping people out of the building or locking yourself and others in safety and using your firearm to protect that room .
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You have made your self clear on multiple occasions that you would rather be disarmed.
[/quote] its not about what id rather be , id rather be there in full combat kit and an assault rifle of my own but thats not realistic nor is it practicable .
if we all walked about with 200 rounds of ammunition and an AR slung over our shoulder we would be fine yes . but get fucking real.
These are places with security check at the entrance. Which miraculously worked in Paris where the terrorist didn’t get to the stadium and 3 of them blew themselves up killing nobody else (!!!) and one blew himself up killing 1.
But yeah, I do carry to opera or theater. In opera I always take a private box. And basically anywhere I go on the weekends, including just taking trash (it is about learning to have it all the time, not about thinking I might need it at the dustbin).
Well given that ANYONE has the right to get a gun and carry, it is their own choice to either not get the license, or to leave the gun at home. In my mind, those unarmed people decided for themselves. I am primary responsible for safety of my loved ones and I am sure it would be easier to get them out of harm’s way with gun blazing than with empty hands.
I don’t know why you always mix guns and alcohol. I drink much less since I started to carry, basically only in the evening at home, no alcohol outside unless I make the decision that it is a drinking time and leave gun at home.
Any alcohol level while carrying or DRIVING CAR here leads to loss of firearm license, so gun owners are the least likely to have DUI or drink with gun. That is why most bars in Prague have non-alcoholic beer ON TAP.
Yes well, it is first move then shoot. There ain’t much you can do in situation you described, however the difference comes once those fuckers get out of car to finish the people off. That’s when they need to decide whether they move on to fulfill the target of having the largest number of victims possible, or whether they take the risk dealing with you. Which may go any given way if you get behind a solid obstacle.
Well that was the case with Charlie Hebdo. But we could see at the train attack that the guy clearly had all of his firearms experience from watching action movies. So the chances that you will be more proficient with your gun than the attacker with his are not that low.
Depending on which gun and where I go. Kahr with 6+1 and 2x6 spares is mostly summer gun, for cycling, for going to park, etc.
CZ with 14+1 and spare 16 or 2x16 (when I have backpack) is otherwise main carry gun.
That surely not but if they are going my way, I prefer to give them hell and get shot in forehead than getting shot at my back.
Truth to be told not, but if I were a Jew living in Paris (and if it was possible for the Jew in Paris), then surely yes. This really isn’t that much hassle. I am sure a couple of Jews in Prague do have it, despite the last time anything happened to Jew here was 1945, and we got rid of all Germans since then.
This costs about €130, about three times more if you want to have it bulletproof.
It’s all about time. Every ten seconds they spend dealing with you puts at least 60 meters between the attacker and possible victims. If you manage to to survive for a minute and half that may very well mean that your family is already half-a-kilometer away. Absolutely worth it. Especially considering the alternative.
The problem is that there was a SWAT on place in Texas. They first made the story about a single CCer shooting both fuckers, but then conceded it was a bullshit. Texas doesn’t really work.
Yeah, every single gun web and gun organization is now appealing to Czech gun owners to carry 24/7. In a perfect situation in the center of Prague it would mean at least 3 people out of 100 being armed. And more likely with full size pistols than sub compacts they normally take when they take their dogs for a walk in the night.
It should be also noted that at least half of Prague taxi drivers have firearms (the other half have machetes or kukris). I wouldn’t expect any of them to be playing hero, but if a gun fire went their way, chances are pretty high they would respond the same.
Here they actually do, unless there is a gun check upon entry. And it is quite likely that at least 1/3 of the security guys upon entry do have firearms.
I checked on this and apparently it was an officer with a pistol that stopped them. Still proves that you have a fighting chance in those situations.
He wounded them with his pistol, and then SWAT finished the fuckers off. So there is no doubt he saved lives.
Wanted to add to these. A man who was in the theatre and escaped as the shooting started, said everyone was on the floor covering their heads, and the gunmen were just calmly firing into the crowd. Many people were also hiding inside the theatre for 2 hours before police arrived, while the terrorists hunted them down.
So based on this there would have been plenty of opportunities for CCer to return fire.
The black lives matter crowd, were tweeting fuck paris and who gives a shit the very night of the attacks. They were butt hurt that their protest at a Missouri collage, wasn’t getting any media attention, over the Paris attacks.
The reason they were protesting, is because a guy drew a swastika made out of poop in the bathroom, and someone said “nigger” off campus.
@snejdarek I can’t understand a word the person is saying, but i can tell from the title and picture that the video is speaking of Dan Varas involvement in the Illuminati.
inside the stadium perfectly acceptable , but a rave ? everyone consuming alcohol or a bar where they also shot up , no gun owner with a brain would consume drink while carrying , as you have stated you rightfully dont do .
i would suspect you would avoid these events all together .
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Well given that ANYONE has the right to get a gun and carry, it is their own choice to either not get the license, or to leave the gun at home. In my mind, those unarmed people decided for themselves. I am primary responsible for safety of my loved ones and I am sure it would be easier to get them out of harm’s way with gun blazing than with empty hands.
[/quote] in the situation of the theatre , a gun would of been useless . you simply wouldnt be in a position to be at all effective with it . mixed in with the panic , would be confusion , exactly where are the shooters ? remembering it was a dark room .
they picked the target well .
the restaurant and bar , if armed and quick enough its reasonable to say you would be able to put some rounds into the car , but would you hit them , or kill them ? i doubt it , by the sounds of it , they pulled up , let rip and sped off .
but out of the targets they are the best option for any sort of fight back .
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I don’t know why you always mix guns and alcohol. I drink much less since I started to carry, basically only in the evening at home, no alcohol outside unless I make the decision that it is a drinking time and leave gun at home.
Any alcohol level while carrying or DRIVING CAR here leads to loss of firearm license, so gun owners are the least likely to have DUI or drink with gun. That is why most bars in Prague have non-alcoholic beer ON TAP.
[/quote] 90% people when they go out to watch the football at a bar they consume alcohol . irrelevant of the gun laws of the nation , im saying the chances of anyone actually being armed in these instances would be next to zero .
im not talking on a general prospective here , im talking about these specific attack locations and times of the paris attacks .
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Yes well, it is first move then shoot. There ain’t much you can do in situation you described, however the difference comes once those fuckers get out of car to finish the people off. That’s when they need to decide whether they move on to fulfill the target of having the largest number of victims possible, or whether they take the risk dealing with you. Which may go any given way if you get behind a solid obstacle.
[/quote] i dont believe they went into the bar but if they did i would agree with you , the odds would be massively against you but its possible for sure , but by the sounds of it , it was a drive by .
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Well that was the case with Charlie Hebdo. But we could see at the train attack that the guy clearly had all of his firearms experience from watching action movies. So the chances that you will be more proficient with your gun than the attacker with his are not that low.
[/quote] again im talking about the specific attacks of Friday . the one on the train , seems a loan wolf attack , have a go jihadi .
the events on friday were planed in great detail and carried out by people who knew what they were doing,
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Depending on which gun and where I go. Kahr with 6+1 and 2x6 spares is mostly summer gun, for cycling, for going to park, etc.
CZ with 14+1 and spare 16 or 2x16 (when I have backpack) is otherwise main carry gun.
[/quote] so no , you’re not equipped for any sort of sustained fire-fight .
as i said , you have equipped yourself to deal with your everyday attacker , knife , handgun . that sort of thing .
not 5 heavily armed men with automatic weapons .
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That surely not but if they are going my way, I prefer to give them hell and get shot in forehead than getting shot at my back
[/quote] absolutely . in the theatre though you aint got a chance . 300+ people going for a single fire exit , climbing over people , complete chaos , while 5 men let rip into the crowd with 7.62 . unless you’re lucky enough to be coming out of the toilet at the time . you’re screwed .
in this case , its a matter of getting out or barricading yourself in a room and defending the room with your firearm
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Truth to be told not, but if I were a Jew living in Paris (and if it was possible for the Jew in Paris), then surely yes. This really isn’t that much hassle. I am sure a couple of Jews in Prague do have it, despite the last time anything happened to Jew here was 1945, and we got rid of all Germans since then.
[/quote] out with your girlfriend , all dressed up in a shirt , for date night . ? i doubt you would be carrying this come on now
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It’s all about time. Every ten seconds they spend dealing with you puts at least 60 meters between the attacker and possible victims. If you manage to to survive for a minute and half that may very well mean that your family is already half-a-kilometer away. Absolutely worth it. Especially considering the alternative.
[/quote] in an open situation , yes but the situation of the theatre , where the entire crowd of people in in the middle of a dance floor with one exit ? you would last about 10 seconds before you were obliterated , thats if you can even get a shot at one of the gunmen .
conflicting reports here , ive heard other say there was a panic for the floor and people clambering over each other , i find it very hard to believe people would simply lay there and wait for their turn to be shot .
but say they did . ok , everyone unarmed hits the floor , you with your gun stay standing , run for cover maybe fire a few shots off . honestly now , do you seriously believe you would last long at all . bearing in mind these attackers all had explosives as well .
i would go as far as saying they would likely kill you before you even got a shot off . in that specific instance .
in the case of the bar and restaurant i completely agree you could of done some good with a weapon. but the theatre , not a chance , reports are saying the gunmen were on a balcony shooting DOWN into the crowd . so they would have a massive advantage against you . even the police struggled with them , it didnt end until the gunmen blew themselves up .
the main issue here is why it was allowed to happen in the first place .
apparently they’re coming for Washington next it was revealed today . our intelligence services have stopped 7 attacks on the UK in the last 6 months .
i worry how long until one slips through . i dont expect gunmen . its far harder for them to get guns here of that degree and not raise massive attention , i suspect it will be a home-made bomb on a train or bus
a quote from one of the witnesses , you may have been right seems some people got down on the floor
John Leader, who was with his son Oscar, told CNN: "I saw the two shooters. One was changing his magazine, so he had a whole load of magazines in front of him.
"He had a big vest on. He looked like a young fellow … nothing particular at all."
Mr Leader added: "I could see that one of the guys was covering, was doing crowd control and the other guy was executing.
“There was no chance of anybody being a hero because these guys were organised. One was covering the crowd, the other one was doing the shooting.”
